Oil Filter Info
02-11-2007, 12:46 PM
#41
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Re: Oil Filter Info
Highcountry wrote:
> I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
> of times.
> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!
Put a shiny chrome cover on it then. :) I think PepBoys has those in the
rice section.
The ultimate answer is an electric oil pump or pressure resevoir to
prelube the engine prior to firing it up.
I've had good luck with either the stock DC filter (which happens when
I get a low cost oil change coupon) or the Purolator Pure One when I
do it myself.
And it's time to change the oil again. Gonna wait till the weather
gets a bit better and check the Sunday ads for specials.
--
DougW
> I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
> of times.
> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!
Put a shiny chrome cover on it then. :) I think PepBoys has those in the
rice section.
The ultimate answer is an electric oil pump or pressure resevoir to
prelube the engine prior to firing it up.
I've had good luck with either the stock DC filter (which happens when
I get a low cost oil change coupon) or the Purolator Pure One when I
do it myself.
And it's time to change the oil again. Gonna wait till the weather
gets a bit better and check the Sunday ads for specials.
--
DougW
02-11-2007, 01:36 PM
#42
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Re: Oil Filter Info
Wal_Mart's oil filters are made by Champion if I recall correctly.
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
02-11-2007, 01:36 PM
#43
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Re: Oil Filter Info
Wal_Mart's oil filters are made by Champion if I recall correctly.
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
02-11-2007, 01:36 PM
#44
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Re: Oil Filter Info
Wal_Mart's oil filters are made by Champion if I recall correctly.
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
02-11-2007, 01:36 PM
#45
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Re: Oil Filter Info
Wal_Mart's oil filters are made by Champion if I recall correctly.
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171206264.993304.90590@q2g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
>I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>
02-11-2007, 04:04 PM
#46
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Re: Oil Filter Info
On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
02-11-2007, 04:04 PM
#47
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Re: Oil Filter Info
On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
02-11-2007, 04:04 PM
#48
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Re: Oil Filter Info
On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
02-11-2007, 04:04 PM
#49
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Re: Oil Filter Info
On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.
>
> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>
> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> > results.
>
> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> > things.
>
> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
more dense filtration system.
I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
done with it. Price is not an issue.
02-11-2007, 05:40 PM
#50
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Re: Oil Filter Info
I can tell you on the Ford V10 the Mobil 1 filters do drain back, so I
switched to Motorcraft filters and that cured the startup noise.
I use Motocrafts in both Jeeps now as well, and in the Excursion diesel,
which uses a replacement-element type filter. I'd haven't done a whole lot
of looking around but I'd like to find a cheaper source for those filters,
they are usually 18-20 bucks apiece.
Matt
"randallbrink@mac.com" <randallbrink@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171227890.274753.173980@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
>> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
>> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
>> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear
>> factor.
>>
>> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
>> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
>> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>>
>> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
>> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
>> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
>> > results.
>>
>> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
>> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
>> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
>> > things.
>>
>> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>
> My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
> NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
> this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
> which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
> more dense filtration system.
>
> I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
> everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
> done with it. Price is not an issue.
>
switched to Motorcraft filters and that cured the startup noise.
I use Motocrafts in both Jeeps now as well, and in the Excursion diesel,
which uses a replacement-element type filter. I'd haven't done a whole lot
of looking around but I'd like to find a cheaper source for those filters,
they are usually 18-20 bucks apiece.
Matt
"randallbrink@mac.com" <randallbrink@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
>> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
>> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
>> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear
>> factor.
>>
>> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
>> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
>> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>>
>> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
>> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
>> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
>> > results.
>>
>> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
>> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
>> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
>> > things.
>>
>> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>
> My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
> NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
> this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
> which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
> more dense filtration system.
>
> I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
> everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
> done with it. Price is not an issue.
>