Mike Romain

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
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Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Highcountry

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Highcountry

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Highcountry

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Highcountry

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Earle Horton

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Earle Horton

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Earle Horton

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Earle Horton

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171213097.433048.130240@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Highcountry

I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
of times.
So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
on the side of my Jeep!

Thanks, Bruce