Oil Detergents
#141
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Re: Oil Detergents
All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:32:50 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You may make a gasoline engine run on anything, my Dad converted to
> kerosene during the War years, because it wasn't rationed. Just run the
> fuel pipe around the exhaust pipe before it goes to the carburetor. What
> I'm after, is could you call your condensed gas, gasoline in good
> conscience. Like gasoline, if it could be cracked in nature would have
> evaporated into our atmosphere millions of years ago.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Well, if fed to one of the contemporary internal combustion engines of
> > the day (mid/late 50's) it would start and run anything from a Ford N
> > tractor to a 55 Ford V8 or a 54 Chevy pickup. That's close enough to
> > gasoline for me (and all the teenagers who used to steal it - until
> > one filled his tank with the odorizer (mercapton?) that we had to add
> > to the natural gas).
--
Will Honea
gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:32:50 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> You may make a gasoline engine run on anything, my Dad converted to
> kerosene during the War years, because it wasn't rationed. Just run the
> fuel pipe around the exhaust pipe before it goes to the carburetor. What
> I'm after, is could you call your condensed gas, gasoline in good
> conscience. Like gasoline, if it could be cracked in nature would have
> evaporated into our atmosphere millions of years ago.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Well, if fed to one of the contemporary internal combustion engines of
> > the day (mid/late 50's) it would start and run anything from a Ford N
> > tractor to a 55 Ford V8 or a 54 Chevy pickup. That's close enough to
> > gasoline for me (and all the teenagers who used to steal it - until
> > one filled his tank with the odorizer (mercapton?) that we had to add
> > to the natural gas).
--
Will Honea
#142
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Re: Oil Detergents
Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
#143
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Re: Oil Detergents
Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
#144
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Re: Oil Detergents
Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
#145
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Re: Oil Detergents
Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
like me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
>
> Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
#146
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Re: Oil Detergents
When I say gasoline destroys grease, I don't mean simply dissolves
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
#147
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Re: Oil Detergents
When I say gasoline destroys grease, I don't mean simply dissolves
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
#148
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Re: Oil Detergents
When I say gasoline destroys grease, I don't mean simply dissolves
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
#149
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Re: Oil Detergents
When I say gasoline destroys grease, I don't mean simply dissolves
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
it, it turns it into a hard dry chalky clay like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
#150
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Re: Oil Detergents
Those are the same folks who, after using gasoline to clean the
bearing, use an air hose and spin them to dry all the gasoline out.
Then it doesn't matter if the grease is clobbered since the high speed
dry run has already done the damage.
No, I suspect that the drip gas has a pretty high butane content. It
collects in the piping where the 6-10 inch casing is necked down and
throttled on the way to the natural gas storage, so it is effectively
a distillation byproduct from a really crude natural gas process. The
production of gasoline is also a selective distillation process under
tightly controlled conditions followed by additional processing. All
the cracking and catalytic processing done to crude just breaks that
raw material down to more useful and desirable components before
fractional distilling separates out some of the desired products like
benzene, kerosene, etc. As I'm sure you are aware, they use
"everything but the oink" for one thing or another with the final
residue going off as asphalt base and bunker oil. The amount we got
was highly affected by the outside air temp and winter times would
give us more than we could use while those balmy 100+ degree summer
days slowed the flow to a trickle. Those same temps also made it boil
off quite a bit, but what the heck - it was free. The stuff is a
pretty good grease solvent as well - Grandma used it to get overalls
clean before washing - but I would be hesitatant about putting it into
a modern engine that I wanted to keep for any length of time.
For all intents and purposes, it acted about like the old sub-regular
that Gulf and Sunonco used to sell as Gulftane, etc. Just another
nostalgic curiosity from "the good old days".
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:37:50 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
> like me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> > gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
> >
> > Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> > cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> > impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> > to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> > Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
--
Will Honea
bearing, use an air hose and spin them to dry all the gasoline out.
Then it doesn't matter if the grease is clobbered since the high speed
dry run has already done the damage.
No, I suspect that the drip gas has a pretty high butane content. It
collects in the piping where the 6-10 inch casing is necked down and
throttled on the way to the natural gas storage, so it is effectively
a distillation byproduct from a really crude natural gas process. The
production of gasoline is also a selective distillation process under
tightly controlled conditions followed by additional processing. All
the cracking and catalytic processing done to crude just breaks that
raw material down to more useful and desirable components before
fractional distilling separates out some of the desired products like
benzene, kerosene, etc. As I'm sure you are aware, they use
"everything but the oink" for one thing or another with the final
residue going off as asphalt base and bunker oil. The amount we got
was highly affected by the outside air temp and winter times would
give us more than we could use while those balmy 100+ degree summer
days slowed the flow to a trickle. Those same temps also made it boil
off quite a bit, but what the heck - it was free. The stuff is a
pretty good grease solvent as well - Grandma used it to get overalls
clean before washing - but I would be hesitatant about putting it into
a modern engine that I wanted to keep for any length of time.
For all intents and purposes, it acted about like the old sub-regular
that Gulf and Sunonco used to sell as Gulftane, etc. Just another
nostalgic curiosity from "the good old days".
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:37:50 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Helium is also found in Pasadena, Texas where I once worked, none
> is found in Europe, Hence the Hindenburg. I still say you're not going
> to find Gasoline naturally. You know gasoline is one heck of a solvent
> completely destroying grease like that used for wheel bearings. Like I
> have seen when people take short cuts doing a wheel repack. And you
> probably have seen it too if you use gasoline as a cheap parts cleaner,
> like me.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > All academic, Bill. As for evaporation, why hasn't all that natural
> > gas evaporated before we punch holes in the ground to extract it?
> >
> > Hmmm... brings up and interesting question. I know from some
> > cryogenic semeiconductor labs I once took that helium is almost
> > impossible to store except at extremely low temps - yet nature manages
> > to keep it quite well a few thousand feet down in the Texas panhandle.
> > Maybe we aren't as smart as we like to think???
--
Will Honea