billy ray

Could be but they set the accepted industry standards.


"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4533c6a1$0$19663$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "Peer reviewed" means "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:96d1$4533cc6d$422afc51$671@FUSE.NET...
>> 1st Google "ester petrochemical" and look at some of the 149,000 hits
> that
>> were returned in 0.05 seconds
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 149,000 for ester petrochemical. (0.05 seconds)
>>
>> 2nd Using AMSoil as a reference is questionable in itself but using your
>> own reference (and I will quote in part)
>> "... Further, the SAE Automotive Lubricants Reference Book, an
>> extensively
>> peer-reviewed publication, states base oils made through the processes
> used
>> to create Shell's hydroisomerized basestock, severe cracking, and
> reforming
>> processes may be marketed as "synthetic."
>>
>> From this we gather that the SAE accepts 'purified Group III oils as
> fitting
>> within their definition of the term 'synthetic'.
>>
>> Further on in your reference we find the lubricant industry agreed with
>> Castrol's position "...In a statement to Lubricants World, Castrol's
>> legal
>> counsel said, "The NAD's decision was clearly correct. In accepting
>> Castrol's position on the appropriate definition of synthetic basestock
> and
>> concluding that Castrol Syntec is a fully synthetic oil, the NAD accepted
>> the overwhelming evidence Castrol presented, which included the opinions
> of
>> leading scientists . . .and statements from Shell, Exxon, and other
> industry
>> sources. "
>>
>> A bit further in your reference notes ..."The NAD also relied on the
>> SAE's
>> rejection of a restrictive definition of the type advanced by Mobil".
>>
>> And concludes..." In fact, although it had the right to do so, Mobil did
> not
>> attempt to appeal the NADS's decision."
>>
>> As for the change in formulations you certainly know that changes are
>> commonplace, there are many 'name brand' oils that have changed
>> substantially.... for example I doubt you would use the SB Pennzoil use
>> originally used in your T-Bird
>>
> (http://new.api.org/certifications/en.../ShelfCard_Eng
> lish.pdf
>>
>> and another quote from your reference... "
>> In response to Mobil's contention that Castrol deceived its consumers by
> not
>> informing them of the change in the formulation, the advertiser submitted
> a
>> statement by Richard Kabel, a motor oil expert. Kabel asserted that motor
>> oil manufacturers, including Mobil, regularly make changes in their
>> formulations without disclosing these changes to consumers. He stated
>> that
>> the industry certification and licensing program is designed to provide
>> motor oil manufacturers with the flexibility to modify their formulations
> as
>> long as the oil continues to meet industry standards,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Mobil did offer in its lawsuit definitions from two chemistry professors
>> (Please note: their arguments were rejected by both the lubricants
> industry
>> and the court)
>>
>> "In the complaint filed by Mobil against Castrol's Syntec, the PAO
>> manufacturer contended true synthetics had to be formulated from small
>> molecules subject to a chemical reaction, not built from natural
> petroleum.
>>
>> Mobil submitted testimony from Professor J.M. Perez, a lubrication and
>> technology expert from Pennsylvania State University, who told the NAD
> that
>> true synthetics require "the formation of chemical products from simple
>> well-defined molecules by synthesis or chemical reaction." Perez cited
>> isomerization, reforming, hydrotreating, and hydrocracking as some of the
>> many chemical and physical processing steps applied to petroleum to
> produce
>> a variety of useful products, but said that they do not produce synthetic
>> products. He argued that hydroisomerization does not create synthetic
>> material because it does not create or build molecules, but merely
>> rearranges the same molecules that were present in the original petroleum
>> fraction.
>>
>> Professor O.L. Chapman, an expert in synthetic chemistry from the
> University
>> of California, also testified that synthetic materials are constructed
> from
>> pure compounds that are themselves not natural and that the resulting
>> synthetic material has well-defined properties. PAO and ester, he said,
> are
>> built from pure small molecules that have already been subject to a
> chemical
>> reaction, and are not built from natural petroleum. "
>>
>>
>>
>> The next few paragraphs that Mobile attempted to use against Castrol
>> actually reinforce the description I gave for how the 'synthetic oil' is
>> made but then I have the benefit of (compared to a shyster) knowing a
> little
>> bit about chemistry and hindsight as this was happening in the late 90s.
>>
>> Wishing to stay out of Mobil's lawsuits the SAE dropped their definition
> of
>> 'synthetic'
>>
>>
>>
>> The ASTM was consulted... "ASTM D 4175 from the American Society for
> Testing
>> and Materials. In this case, synthetic is defined as originating from the
>> chemical synthesis of relatively pure organic compounds from one or more
> of
>> a wide variety of raw materials." Please note the phrases "relatively
> pure"
>> and "wide variety of raw materials" and refer back to my definition of
>> synthetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chevron management has been quoted... "What we really think will come out
> of
>> this decision is an awareness that several types of stocks, particularly
>> some newer UCNOs, justifiably can be considered synthetic and are viable
>> basestocks for the formulation of top-quality synthetic lubricants. In
> other
>> words, the decision sends a message that 'synthetic' is not synonymous
> with
>> 'PAO'".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4533A846.7F87DDD2@***.net...
>> > Esters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester All motor oils contain
>> > ester: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Exactly, the same place the esters used in PAO come from (although
> some
>> >> are
>> >> made from natural gas which is also a petrochemical)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

billy ray

Could be but they set the accepted industry standards.


"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4533c6a1$0$19663$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "Peer reviewed" means "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:96d1$4533cc6d$422afc51$671@FUSE.NET...
>> 1st Google "ester petrochemical" and look at some of the 149,000 hits
> that
>> were returned in 0.05 seconds
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 149,000 for ester petrochemical. (0.05 seconds)
>>
>> 2nd Using AMSoil as a reference is questionable in itself but using your
>> own reference (and I will quote in part)
>> "... Further, the SAE Automotive Lubricants Reference Book, an
>> extensively
>> peer-reviewed publication, states base oils made through the processes
> used
>> to create Shell's hydroisomerized basestock, severe cracking, and
> reforming
>> processes may be marketed as "synthetic."
>>
>> From this we gather that the SAE accepts 'purified Group III oils as
> fitting
>> within their definition of the term 'synthetic'.
>>
>> Further on in your reference we find the lubricant industry agreed with
>> Castrol's position "...In a statement to Lubricants World, Castrol's
>> legal
>> counsel said, "The NAD's decision was clearly correct. In accepting
>> Castrol's position on the appropriate definition of synthetic basestock
> and
>> concluding that Castrol Syntec is a fully synthetic oil, the NAD accepted
>> the overwhelming evidence Castrol presented, which included the opinions
> of
>> leading scientists . . .and statements from Shell, Exxon, and other
> industry
>> sources. "
>>
>> A bit further in your reference notes ..."The NAD also relied on the
>> SAE's
>> rejection of a restrictive definition of the type advanced by Mobil".
>>
>> And concludes..." In fact, although it had the right to do so, Mobil did
> not
>> attempt to appeal the NADS's decision."
>>
>> As for the change in formulations you certainly know that changes are
>> commonplace, there are many 'name brand' oils that have changed
>> substantially.... for example I doubt you would use the SB Pennzoil use
>> originally used in your T-Bird
>>
> (http://new.api.org/certifications/en.../ShelfCard_Eng
> lish.pdf
>>
>> and another quote from your reference... "
>> In response to Mobil's contention that Castrol deceived its consumers by
> not
>> informing them of the change in the formulation, the advertiser submitted
> a
>> statement by Richard Kabel, a motor oil expert. Kabel asserted that motor
>> oil manufacturers, including Mobil, regularly make changes in their
>> formulations without disclosing these changes to consumers. He stated
>> that
>> the industry certification and licensing program is designed to provide
>> motor oil manufacturers with the flexibility to modify their formulations
> as
>> long as the oil continues to meet industry standards,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Mobil did offer in its lawsuit definitions from two chemistry professors
>> (Please note: their arguments were rejected by both the lubricants
> industry
>> and the court)
>>
>> "In the complaint filed by Mobil against Castrol's Syntec, the PAO
>> manufacturer contended true synthetics had to be formulated from small
>> molecules subject to a chemical reaction, not built from natural
> petroleum.
>>
>> Mobil submitted testimony from Professor J.M. Perez, a lubrication and
>> technology expert from Pennsylvania State University, who told the NAD
> that
>> true synthetics require "the formation of chemical products from simple
>> well-defined molecules by synthesis or chemical reaction." Perez cited
>> isomerization, reforming, hydrotreating, and hydrocracking as some of the
>> many chemical and physical processing steps applied to petroleum to
> produce
>> a variety of useful products, but said that they do not produce synthetic
>> products. He argued that hydroisomerization does not create synthetic
>> material because it does not create or build molecules, but merely
>> rearranges the same molecules that were present in the original petroleum
>> fraction.
>>
>> Professor O.L. Chapman, an expert in synthetic chemistry from the
> University
>> of California, also testified that synthetic materials are constructed
> from
>> pure compounds that are themselves not natural and that the resulting
>> synthetic material has well-defined properties. PAO and ester, he said,
> are
>> built from pure small molecules that have already been subject to a
> chemical
>> reaction, and are not built from natural petroleum. "
>>
>>
>>
>> The next few paragraphs that Mobile attempted to use against Castrol
>> actually reinforce the description I gave for how the 'synthetic oil' is
>> made but then I have the benefit of (compared to a shyster) knowing a
> little
>> bit about chemistry and hindsight as this was happening in the late 90s.
>>
>> Wishing to stay out of Mobil's lawsuits the SAE dropped their definition
> of
>> 'synthetic'
>>
>>
>>
>> The ASTM was consulted... "ASTM D 4175 from the American Society for
> Testing
>> and Materials. In this case, synthetic is defined as originating from the
>> chemical synthesis of relatively pure organic compounds from one or more
> of
>> a wide variety of raw materials." Please note the phrases "relatively
> pure"
>> and "wide variety of raw materials" and refer back to my definition of
>> synthetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chevron management has been quoted... "What we really think will come out
> of
>> this decision is an awareness that several types of stocks, particularly
>> some newer UCNOs, justifiably can be considered synthetic and are viable
>> basestocks for the formulation of top-quality synthetic lubricants. In
> other
>> words, the decision sends a message that 'synthetic' is not synonymous
> with
>> 'PAO'".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4533A846.7F87DDD2@***.net...
>> > Esters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester All motor oils contain
>> > ester: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Exactly, the same place the esters used in PAO come from (although
> some
>> >> are
>> >> made from natural gas which is also a petrochemical)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

billy ray

Could be but they set the accepted industry standards.


"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message
news:4533c6a1$0$19663$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> "Peer reviewed" means "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:96d1$4533cc6d$422afc51$671@FUSE.NET...
>> 1st Google "ester petrochemical" and look at some of the 149,000 hits
> that
>> were returned in 0.05 seconds
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 149,000 for ester petrochemical. (0.05 seconds)
>>
>> 2nd Using AMSoil as a reference is questionable in itself but using your
>> own reference (and I will quote in part)
>> "... Further, the SAE Automotive Lubricants Reference Book, an
>> extensively
>> peer-reviewed publication, states base oils made through the processes
> used
>> to create Shell's hydroisomerized basestock, severe cracking, and
> reforming
>> processes may be marketed as "synthetic."
>>
>> From this we gather that the SAE accepts 'purified Group III oils as
> fitting
>> within their definition of the term 'synthetic'.
>>
>> Further on in your reference we find the lubricant industry agreed with
>> Castrol's position "...In a statement to Lubricants World, Castrol's
>> legal
>> counsel said, "The NAD's decision was clearly correct. In accepting
>> Castrol's position on the appropriate definition of synthetic basestock
> and
>> concluding that Castrol Syntec is a fully synthetic oil, the NAD accepted
>> the overwhelming evidence Castrol presented, which included the opinions
> of
>> leading scientists . . .and statements from Shell, Exxon, and other
> industry
>> sources. "
>>
>> A bit further in your reference notes ..."The NAD also relied on the
>> SAE's
>> rejection of a restrictive definition of the type advanced by Mobil".
>>
>> And concludes..." In fact, although it had the right to do so, Mobil did
> not
>> attempt to appeal the NADS's decision."
>>
>> As for the change in formulations you certainly know that changes are
>> commonplace, there are many 'name brand' oils that have changed
>> substantially.... for example I doubt you would use the SB Pennzoil use
>> originally used in your T-Bird
>>
> (http://new.api.org/certifications/en.../ShelfCard_Eng
> lish.pdf
>>
>> and another quote from your reference... "
>> In response to Mobil's contention that Castrol deceived its consumers by
> not
>> informing them of the change in the formulation, the advertiser submitted
> a
>> statement by Richard Kabel, a motor oil expert. Kabel asserted that motor
>> oil manufacturers, including Mobil, regularly make changes in their
>> formulations without disclosing these changes to consumers. He stated
>> that
>> the industry certification and licensing program is designed to provide
>> motor oil manufacturers with the flexibility to modify their formulations
> as
>> long as the oil continues to meet industry standards,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Mobil did offer in its lawsuit definitions from two chemistry professors
>> (Please note: their arguments were rejected by both the lubricants
> industry
>> and the court)
>>
>> "In the complaint filed by Mobil against Castrol's Syntec, the PAO
>> manufacturer contended true synthetics had to be formulated from small
>> molecules subject to a chemical reaction, not built from natural
> petroleum.
>>
>> Mobil submitted testimony from Professor J.M. Perez, a lubrication and
>> technology expert from Pennsylvania State University, who told the NAD
> that
>> true synthetics require "the formation of chemical products from simple
>> well-defined molecules by synthesis or chemical reaction." Perez cited
>> isomerization, reforming, hydrotreating, and hydrocracking as some of the
>> many chemical and physical processing steps applied to petroleum to
> produce
>> a variety of useful products, but said that they do not produce synthetic
>> products. He argued that hydroisomerization does not create synthetic
>> material because it does not create or build molecules, but merely
>> rearranges the same molecules that were present in the original petroleum
>> fraction.
>>
>> Professor O.L. Chapman, an expert in synthetic chemistry from the
> University
>> of California, also testified that synthetic materials are constructed
> from
>> pure compounds that are themselves not natural and that the resulting
>> synthetic material has well-defined properties. PAO and ester, he said,
> are
>> built from pure small molecules that have already been subject to a
> chemical
>> reaction, and are not built from natural petroleum. "
>>
>>
>>
>> The next few paragraphs that Mobile attempted to use against Castrol
>> actually reinforce the description I gave for how the 'synthetic oil' is
>> made but then I have the benefit of (compared to a shyster) knowing a
> little
>> bit about chemistry and hindsight as this was happening in the late 90s.
>>
>> Wishing to stay out of Mobil's lawsuits the SAE dropped their definition
> of
>> 'synthetic'
>>
>>
>>
>> The ASTM was consulted... "ASTM D 4175 from the American Society for
> Testing
>> and Materials. In this case, synthetic is defined as originating from the
>> chemical synthesis of relatively pure organic compounds from one or more
> of
>> a wide variety of raw materials." Please note the phrases "relatively
> pure"
>> and "wide variety of raw materials" and refer back to my definition of
>> synthetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chevron management has been quoted... "What we really think will come out
> of
>> this decision is an awareness that several types of stocks, particularly
>> some newer UCNOs, justifiably can be considered synthetic and are viable
>> basestocks for the formulation of top-quality synthetic lubricants. In
> other
>> words, the decision sends a message that 'synthetic' is not synonymous
> with
>> 'PAO'".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4533A846.7F87DDD2@***.net...
>> > Esters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester All motor oils contain
>> > ester: http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Exactly, the same place the esters used in PAO come from (although
> some
>> >> are
>> >> made from natural gas which is also a petrochemical)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

billy ray

That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
version of Kragen's today.

What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?

Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
the Fram only stores don't carry them...


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4533ADD3.1EF1B2EB@***.net...
> Tell me about it: http://www.----------.com/temp/kragen.jpg
> Thank you.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I paid $1 a quart for the Phillips 66 semi-synthetic 10w-30 I've been
>> using
>> for a year and a half now. Pennzoil 20w-50 sells for $2.68/qt here.
>>
>> I bought all the remaining stock, of that oil, when a local retailer
>> decided
>> to drop the Phillips 66 line.
>>
>> I still have 2 full cases left in addition to the loose bottles on the
>> garage shelf..
>>
>> But to use your argument... since synthetic is actually derived from dino
>> oil then I'm just explaining there are better refined dino oils with
>> superior properties....
>>
>> If your argument is carried in another direction you are proposing that
>> we
>> use crude oil, straight out of the well, in out motors because it
>> requires
>> less addition energy in its production.
>>
>> Errata: The current theory is that oil comes from plant decay, it is
>> probably incorrect to refer to, therefore, as dino spit.

billy ray

That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
version of Kragen's today.

What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?

Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
the Fram only stores don't carry them...


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4533ADD3.1EF1B2EB@***.net...
> Tell me about it: http://www.----------.com/temp/kragen.jpg
> Thank you.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I paid $1 a quart for the Phillips 66 semi-synthetic 10w-30 I've been
>> using
>> for a year and a half now. Pennzoil 20w-50 sells for $2.68/qt here.
>>
>> I bought all the remaining stock, of that oil, when a local retailer
>> decided
>> to drop the Phillips 66 line.
>>
>> I still have 2 full cases left in addition to the loose bottles on the
>> garage shelf..
>>
>> But to use your argument... since synthetic is actually derived from dino
>> oil then I'm just explaining there are better refined dino oils with
>> superior properties....
>>
>> If your argument is carried in another direction you are proposing that
>> we
>> use crude oil, straight out of the well, in out motors because it
>> requires
>> less addition energy in its production.
>>
>> Errata: The current theory is that oil comes from plant decay, it is
>> probably incorrect to refer to, therefore, as dino spit.

billy ray

That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
version of Kragen's today.

What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?

Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
the Fram only stores don't carry them...


"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4533ADD3.1EF1B2EB@***.net...
> Tell me about it: http://www.----------.com/temp/kragen.jpg
> Thank you.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> I paid $1 a quart for the Phillips 66 semi-synthetic 10w-30 I've been
>> using
>> for a year and a half now. Pennzoil 20w-50 sells for $2.68/qt here.
>>
>> I bought all the remaining stock, of that oil, when a local retailer
>> decided
>> to drop the Phillips 66 line.
>>
>> I still have 2 full cases left in addition to the loose bottles on the
>> garage shelf..
>>
>> But to use your argument... since synthetic is actually derived from dino
>> oil then I'm just explaining there are better refined dino oils with
>> superior properties....
>>
>> If your argument is carried in another direction you are proposing that
>> we
>> use crude oil, straight out of the well, in out motors because it
>> requires
>> less addition energy in its production.
>>
>> Errata: The current theory is that oil comes from plant decay, it is
>> probably incorrect to refer to, therefore, as dino spit.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

I sold Chevron products fifteen years ago and didn't pay any
attention to my competition. Delo was our Diesel oil, unfortunately it
didn't carry the necessary SAE rating, and it caused sludge in my truck
engines.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
> version of Kragen's today.
>
> What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
> like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?
>
> Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
> the Fram only stores don't carry them...

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

I sold Chevron products fifteen years ago and didn't pay any
attention to my competition. Delo was our Diesel oil, unfortunately it
didn't carry the necessary SAE rating, and it caused sludge in my truck
engines.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
> version of Kragen's today.
>
> What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
> like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?
>
> Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
> the Fram only stores don't carry them...

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

I sold Chevron products fifteen years ago and didn't pay any
attention to my competition. Delo was our Diesel oil, unfortunately it
didn't carry the necessary SAE rating, and it caused sludge in my truck
engines.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
> version of Kragen's today.
>
> What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
> like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?
>
> Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
> the Fram only stores don't carry them...

billy ray

Ya know... I just looked at the spec sheets and Delo 400, Delvac 1300, and
the old formula Rotella T are only rated as an (automotive rating) SJ
usable up to 2001 vehicles.

Only Shell's new Rotella T Triple Protection (released July 1st) meets the
current automotive (SM) standard in 10w-30 and 15w-40 grades.



Delvac
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:45348628.F0D9F3A3@***.net...
> I sold Chevron products fifteen years ago and didn't pay any
> attention to my competition. Delo was our Diesel oil, unfortunately it
> didn't carry the necessary SAE rating, and it caused sludge in my truck
> engines.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> That DexCool you paid $10.99 for six months ago sells for $9.88 at our
>> version of Kragen's today.
>>
>> What was the name of Pennzoil's Diesel oils back-in-the-day? Something
>> like Zoildeeze and another was Series 3?
>>
>> Those extended guard filters are only available at NAPA around here, even
>> the Fram only stores don't carry them...