obd ii code.....'97
11-03-2005, 06:03 AM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>
> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>
Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
'95 Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13, DH#2
11-03-2005, 06:03 AM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>
> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>
Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC-P "Pearl"
'95 Wrangler YJ
TOMKAT, SENS, BS#133, MAMBM, SLOB#13, DH#2
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is
>> not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
> Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
> the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
> the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
> However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
> sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
> The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
> names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
>
>
If I was the engineer, I'd design the two before the cat the same, and the
two after the cat the same. If it was possible to make them all the same,
then that's what I'd do.
Frankly, there isn't much to an O2 Sensor, and the automaker doesn't even
design them, they buy them off the shelf someplace. The main differences
(besides front and rear) is the connectors, and these can easily be made
uniform to avoid a half-dozen different part numbers.
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is
>> not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
> Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
> the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
> the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
> However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
> sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
> The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
> names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
>
>
If I was the engineer, I'd design the two before the cat the same, and the
two after the cat the same. If it was possible to make them all the same,
then that's what I'd do.
Frankly, there isn't much to an O2 Sensor, and the automaker doesn't even
design them, they buy them off the shelf someplace. The main differences
(besides front and rear) is the connectors, and these can easily be made
uniform to avoid a half-dozen different part numbers.
11-03-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
"Old Crow" <walliscrow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is
>> not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
> Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
> the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
> the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
> However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
> sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
> The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
> names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
>
>
If I was the engineer, I'd design the two before the cat the same, and the
two after the cat the same. If it was possible to make them all the same,
then that's what I'd do.
Frankly, there isn't much to an O2 Sensor, and the automaker doesn't even
design them, they buy them off the shelf someplace. The main differences
(besides front and rear) is the connectors, and these can easily be made
uniform to avoid a half-dozen different part numbers.
11-03-2005, 10:07 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
In message <1131015803.774997.152250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>, "Old Crow"
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
11-03-2005, 10:07 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
In message <1131015803.774997.152250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>, "Old Crow"
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
11-03-2005, 10:07 PM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
In message <1131015803.774997.152250@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups .com>, "Old Crow"
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
wrote:
>
>Jeff Strickland wrote:>
>>
>> Yes, but Bank 1 is one side of the motor, Bank 2 is the other side. These
>> are both before the CAT, and if there is one after the CAT, then it is not
>> Bank 1 OR Bank 2.
>>
>
>Actually, the way GM numbers them, any of the sensors with exhaust from
>the #1 cyl flowing past it is considered Bank 1. Thus, the one after
>the cat is called Bank 1 Sensor 2.
>
>However, if it's a dual cat setup...then you have 4 sensors, bank 1
>sensors 1&2, and bank 2 sensors 1&2.
>
>The parts guys just love trying to figure it out, because their book
>names them altogether differently(something like positions 1, 2 and 3).
Chrysler does the same thing. The guys who write the service books don't talk
to the guys who write the parts books. One part can have 2 different names,
depending on who you talk to. O2 sensor location is always tricky also. Some
aren't even listed by location, just by the length of the pigtail, which is
really stupid.
11-06-2005, 10:24 AM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
if u have a v8 bank one will be the head the contains cyl.#1 and o2 1/2 would be
bank one downstream o2 real easy
make sure u check the cat.(see if it ratles) a failed cat can set the same code
Cal wrote:
> Thanks! I'll pick up one today, and replace it..
>
> cal
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7JadnXn_ufJbDfveRVn-jg@ez2.net...
> > I'd replace the O2 Sensor. It should be the one closest to the motor. If
> > you have an I6, it will be on the manifold. A V8 will have a Bank 1 and a
> > Bank 2, the I6 only has Bank 1.
> >
> > If there was an O2 Sensor after the CAT, then the code would be that the
> > CAT isn't working right. I forget the specific verbiage, but the CAT has
> > no parts that can fail, so a failed CAT is probably caused by a failed
> > sensor. Having said that, a CAT _can_ fail, but you usually know because
> > the main failure mode is that it gets clogged and this affects
> > performance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:fBn9f.475$Cw4.206201@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> My '97 JGC just gave me an error code...P0133, O2 sensor slow to respond.
> >> Do I need to just replace it, or is there something else I should try
> >> first? I assume that bank 1 is the sensor that is upstream from the cat
> >> converter (on the exhaust manifold..)
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> cal
> >>
> >>
> >
bank one downstream o2 real easy
make sure u check the cat.(see if it ratles) a failed cat can set the same code
Cal wrote:
> Thanks! I'll pick up one today, and replace it..
>
> cal
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7JadnXn_ufJbDfveRVn-jg@ez2.net...
> > I'd replace the O2 Sensor. It should be the one closest to the motor. If
> > you have an I6, it will be on the manifold. A V8 will have a Bank 1 and a
> > Bank 2, the I6 only has Bank 1.
> >
> > If there was an O2 Sensor after the CAT, then the code would be that the
> > CAT isn't working right. I forget the specific verbiage, but the CAT has
> > no parts that can fail, so a failed CAT is probably caused by a failed
> > sensor. Having said that, a CAT _can_ fail, but you usually know because
> > the main failure mode is that it gets clogged and this affects
> > performance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:fBn9f.475$Cw4.206201@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> My '97 JGC just gave me an error code...P0133, O2 sensor slow to respond.
> >> Do I need to just replace it, or is there something else I should try
> >> first? I assume that bank 1 is the sensor that is upstream from the cat
> >> converter (on the exhaust manifold..)
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> cal
> >>
> >>
> >
11-06-2005, 10:24 AM
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Re: obd ii code.....'97
if u have a v8 bank one will be the head the contains cyl.#1 and o2 1/2 would be
bank one downstream o2 real easy
make sure u check the cat.(see if it ratles) a failed cat can set the same code
Cal wrote:
> Thanks! I'll pick up one today, and replace it..
>
> cal
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7JadnXn_ufJbDfveRVn-jg@ez2.net...
> > I'd replace the O2 Sensor. It should be the one closest to the motor. If
> > you have an I6, it will be on the manifold. A V8 will have a Bank 1 and a
> > Bank 2, the I6 only has Bank 1.
> >
> > If there was an O2 Sensor after the CAT, then the code would be that the
> > CAT isn't working right. I forget the specific verbiage, but the CAT has
> > no parts that can fail, so a failed CAT is probably caused by a failed
> > sensor. Having said that, a CAT _can_ fail, but you usually know because
> > the main failure mode is that it gets clogged and this affects
> > performance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:fBn9f.475$Cw4.206201@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> My '97 JGC just gave me an error code...P0133, O2 sensor slow to respond.
> >> Do I need to just replace it, or is there something else I should try
> >> first? I assume that bank 1 is the sensor that is upstream from the cat
> >> converter (on the exhaust manifold..)
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> cal
> >>
> >>
> >
bank one downstream o2 real easy
make sure u check the cat.(see if it ratles) a failed cat can set the same code
Cal wrote:
> Thanks! I'll pick up one today, and replace it..
>
> cal
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7JadnXn_ufJbDfveRVn-jg@ez2.net...
> > I'd replace the O2 Sensor. It should be the one closest to the motor. If
> > you have an I6, it will be on the manifold. A V8 will have a Bank 1 and a
> > Bank 2, the I6 only has Bank 1.
> >
> > If there was an O2 Sensor after the CAT, then the code would be that the
> > CAT isn't working right. I forget the specific verbiage, but the CAT has
> > no parts that can fail, so a failed CAT is probably caused by a failed
> > sensor. Having said that, a CAT _can_ fail, but you usually know because
> > the main failure mode is that it gets clogged and this affects
> > performance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Cal" <codom1*IHATESPAM*@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:fBn9f.475$Cw4.206201@twister.southeast.rr.com ...
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> My '97 JGC just gave me an error code...P0133, O2 sensor slow to respond.
> >> Do I need to just replace it, or is there something else I should try
> >> first? I assume that bank 1 is the sensor that is upstream from the cat
> >> converter (on the exhaust manifold..)
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >>
> >> cal
> >>
> >>
> >