nv3550 questions
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Re: nv3550 questions
> Matt,
>
> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>
I did see that, I was just quoting what it says on the bottle.
> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
> substitute and they do not have to.
Do they not have to say "Or Equivalent," or provide a published
specification?
However what ever if you use any thing else it
> must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications Part No. 4874464.
> Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any warranty.
I do not know what Chrysler spec MS9224 is, do you? Could it be the spec for
the NV transmissions?
From FSM: "Required lubricant for the NV3550 is Mopar Manual Transmission
Lubricant P/N 4761526. This is the only lubricant to be used in NV3550
transmissions. No other lubricants are acceptable, or recommended." Can't
explain why the part numbers are different.
They are not stating "or equivalent," they are saying "don't use anything
but our oil." Does that mean if I use the GM part for the same transmissions
(as NVG also supplied trannys for GM) I would void the warranty?
As it is, it's all moot since my TJ is out of warranty. :-)
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Re: nv3550 questions
The guys I talked to at New Venture said you could use 10w30 motor oil in a
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
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Re: nv3550 questions
The guys I talked to at New Venture said you could use 10w30 motor oil in a
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
#64
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Re: nv3550 questions
The guys I talked to at New Venture said you could use 10w30 motor oil in a
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
pinch....
"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:v9Wdnbd0xvxqhTXZnZ2dnUVZ_tKdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> What is going on in the nv3550 that makes it require that specific mopar
> lubricant? I think I remember reading on the pennzoil syncromesh bottle
> that it is safe for "yellow" metals like brass, copper, etc. Being a
> metal finisher I would guess that some other lubricants would be mildly
> acidic or base and eat up the copper/brass that may be in the nv3550? I
> dont know if there is any in there, just guessing. The parts guy ( i
> know, parts counter guys, sheesh) says he didn't really sell much of the
> stuff, and there must be something out there people are using instead of
> it.
>
> Troy
>
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:xYKdnbzGcfy0dDrZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>> news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>>> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>>>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is
>>>> the only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be
>>>> the Magnusson Moss act.
>>>>
>>> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
>>> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use
>> in Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it
>> does not say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part
>> No. 4874464. Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
>>
>> The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
>> specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464
>> for the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a
>> substitute and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any
>> thing else it must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications
>> Part No. 4874464. Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any
>> warranty.
>>
>> (OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil
>> but theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic
>> your engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of
>> synthetic oil however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil
>> you can use in the engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson
>> Moss Warranty Act.
>>
>> Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be
>> used instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive
>> just does not cut it.
>>
>> Coasty
>>
>
>
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