nv3550 questions
07-02-2006, 10:12 AM
#41
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Re: nv3550 questions
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
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> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
07-02-2006, 10:12 AM
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Re: nv3550 questions
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
07-02-2006, 10:12 AM
#43
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Re: nv3550 questions
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
07-02-2006, 10:27 AM
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Re: nv3550 questions
I have a bottle of Pennzoil Syncromesh on my desk right now. It says: "For
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-02-2006, 10:27 AM
#45
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Re: nv3550 questions
I have a bottle of Pennzoil Syncromesh on my desk right now. It says: "For
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-02-2006, 10:27 AM
#46
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Posts: n/a
Re: nv3550 questions
I have a bottle of Pennzoil Syncromesh on my desk right now. It says: "For
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
use in manual transaxles and transmisions requiring GM part # 12345349 or
12345577 and Chrysler part no. 4874464. Meets GM specification 9985648 and
Chrysler specification MS9224."
When I was looking for an aftermarket equivalent I contacted New Venture
Gear, and they told me the spec oil for that transmission was Havoline 1874
Syncromesh Transmission Fluid.
"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
> Magnusson Moss act.
>
> It is just like ATF+4, DC has said the transmission fluid must meet ATF+4
> to be used and the only place you could get ATF+4 was at the Dealer.
> However it is now sold at every parts place as ATF+4 under the Valvoline
> label.
>
> Pennzoil® says their Synchromesh fluid is suitable for use in Chrysler
> transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464. However the key
> word is missing in which is (Meets OEM) Chrysler Part No. 4874464. Just
> like the Mercron ATF which said it was suitable for use in DC
> transmissions and when you used it your transmission failed. People were
> either too cheap or did not understand the difference between suitable and
> meets OEM requirements their is a big difference their and they ended up
> paying for it with failed transmissions.
>
> The difference is the Chrysler Part No. 4874464 is a full synthetic
> designed to last the life of the transmission unless it requires
> rebuilding or goes under water and Pennzoil® Synchromesh is not synthetic
> it is a paraffin based lubricant that must be change.
>
> What I have said was confirmed by a writer for Motor Week Pat Goss who I
> talked to on his weekly radio show and he is the most knowledgably auto
> mechanic there is.
>
> The old adage Pay ME Now or Pay Me later came to mind.
>
> Coasty
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:X4OdnTWdWq1ejTrZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Thing is, I do remember reading somwhere (not on the net) that for
>> maintenince issues like oil and fluids, the manufacturer (not dealer) is
>> not supposed to charge for it if the manufacturer specifies only their
>> own fluid and no other, which was the case for the NV3550 when it was
>> intro'd. I was googling for a pertinent link about this issue and the
>> Magnusson Moss act but can't find it yet.
>>
>> "Greg Johnson" <Islander2000@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:13962-44A6EE86-177@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>>> "if there is no aftermarket equivalent they are supposed to provide it
>>> for free."
>>>
>>> Why in the world would you say something like that? Don't beleve
>>> everything you read on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
07-02-2006, 11:40 AM
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: nv3550 questions
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
>> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
>> Magnusson Moss act.
>>
> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
Matt,
Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use in
Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it does not
say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464.
Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464 for
the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a substitute
and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any thing else it
must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications Part No. 4874464.
Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any warranty.
(OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil but
theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic your
engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of synthetic oil
however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil you can use in the
engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act.
Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be used
instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive just
does not cut it.
Coasty
07-02-2006, 11:40 AM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: nv3550 questions
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
>> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
>> Magnusson Moss act.
>>
> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
Matt,
Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use in
Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it does not
say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464.
Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464 for
the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a substitute
and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any thing else it
must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications Part No. 4874464.
Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any warranty.
(OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil but
theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic your
engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of synthetic oil
however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil you can use in the
engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act.
Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be used
instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive just
does not cut it.
Coasty
07-02-2006, 11:40 AM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: nv3550 questions
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
>> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
>> Magnusson Moss act.
>>
> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
Matt,
Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use in
Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it does not
say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464.
Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464 for
the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a substitute
and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any thing else it
must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications Part No. 4874464.
Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any warranty.
(OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil but
theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic your
engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of synthetic oil
however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil you can use in the
engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act.
Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be used
instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive just
does not cut it.
Coasty
07-02-2006, 11:41 AM
#50
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Posts: n/a
Re: nv3550 questions
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:m5KdnWF_6JC0STrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:dv2dnZozmva0PTrZnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> How the auto companies get away with it is to say a product must meet
>> (blank) specifications. They are not saying a particular product is the
>> only authorized fluid or you will void your warranty, that would be the
>> Magnusson Moss act.
>>
> But for th e NV3550, that's exactly what the FSM and the owner's manual
> said. "Do not use anything but Mopar pert number XXXXXXX."
Matt,
Go to the Pennzoil web site and read the specs it says "SUITABLE for use in
Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464 it does not
say MEETS Chrysler transaxles and transmissions requiring Part No. 4874464.
Suitable does not mean it meets OEM specs.
The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act does not prevent an auto company from
specifically specifying a particular OEM fluid such as Part No. 4874464 for
the manual transmission they just are not telling you what is a substitute
and they do not have to. However what ever if you use any thing else it
must say on the container MEETS Chrysler specifications Part No. 4874464.
Saying SUITABLE is not the same and could void any warranty.
(OT but relevant) For over 20 years Harley Davidson said any other oil but
theirs would ruin the engine and GOD forbid if you used synthetic your
engine would just blow up. Today HD sells their own brand of synthetic oil
however that cannot say it is exclusive and the only oil you can use in the
engines. HD was one of the reasons for the Magnusson Moss Warranty Act.
Meets means that it is equal any other wording such as suitable, can be used
instead, and my all time favorite can be used with special additive just
does not cut it.
Coasty
