Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
04-15-2005, 04:13 PM
#171
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Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
ROTFLMAO!
Gotcha.
SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
reading on it!!!!
1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
and ported on the timing advance and......
Drumroll........
On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
16 ppm HC
0.11% CO
LOL!
That was on my 2003 test.
Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
an 89 YJ!!!!
Photo of the papers here:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
paperwork.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
that.
Good bye now bllsht.
;-p
Mike.
bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >
> >Sigh.....
> >
> >First you say:
> >
> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>
> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>
> >
> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >
> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>
> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>
> >
> >I give up.....
> >
> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >emissions.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Gotcha.
SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
reading on it!!!!
1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
and ported on the timing advance and......
Drumroll........
On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
16 ppm HC
0.11% CO
LOL!
That was on my 2003 test.
Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
an 89 YJ!!!!
Photo of the papers here:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
paperwork.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
that.
Good bye now bllsht.
;-p
Mike.
bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >
> >Sigh.....
> >
> >First you say:
> >
> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>
> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>
> >
> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >
> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>
> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>
> >
> >I give up.....
> >
> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >emissions.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-15-2005, 04:13 PM
#172
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Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
ROTFLMAO!
Gotcha.
SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
reading on it!!!!
1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
and ported on the timing advance and......
Drumroll........
On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
16 ppm HC
0.11% CO
LOL!
That was on my 2003 test.
Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
an 89 YJ!!!!
Photo of the papers here:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
paperwork.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
that.
Good bye now bllsht.
;-p
Mike.
bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >
> >Sigh.....
> >
> >First you say:
> >
> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>
> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>
> >
> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >
> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>
> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>
> >
> >I give up.....
> >
> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >emissions.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Gotcha.
SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
reading on it!!!!
1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
and ported on the timing advance and......
Drumroll........
On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
16 ppm HC
0.11% CO
LOL!
That was on my 2003 test.
Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
an 89 YJ!!!!
Photo of the papers here:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
paperwork.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
that.
Good bye now bllsht.
;-p
Mike.
bllsht wrote:
>
> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >
> >Sigh.....
> >
> >First you say:
> >
> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>
> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>
> >
> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >
> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>
> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>
> >
> >I give up.....
> >
> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >emissions.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 12:57 AM
#173
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Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 12:57 AM
#174
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Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 12:57 AM
#175
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 12:57 AM
#176
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
yeah, they didn't do any....
Apples and oranges.
In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>ROTFLMAO!
>
>Gotcha.
>
>SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
>reading on it!!!!
>
>1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
>no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
>the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
>and ported on the timing advance and......
>
>Drumroll........
>
>On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
>
>16 ppm HC
>
>0.11% CO
>
>LOL!
>
>That was on my 2003 test.
>
>Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
>
>So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
>an 89 YJ!!!!
>
>Photo of the papers here:
>http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
>
>And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
>paperwork.
>
>Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
>
>Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
>year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
>that.
>
>Good bye now bllsht.
>
>;-p
>
>Mike.
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
>> >
>> >Sigh.....
>> >
>> >First you say:
>> >
>> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
>>
>> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
>>
>> >
>> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
>> >
>> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
>>
>> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
>> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
>> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
>> you fail the smog test. Get it?
>>
>> >
>> >I give up.....
>> >
>> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
>> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
>> >emissions.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 10:10 AM
#177
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
And yet I can get all my reading sweet without a catalytic converter.
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 10:10 AM
#178
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
And yet I can get all my reading sweet without a catalytic converter.
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 10:10 AM
#179
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???
And yet I can get all my reading sweet without a catalytic converter.
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-16-2005, 10:10 AM
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And yet I can get all my reading sweet without a catalytic converter.
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
And no I never mucked with the timing other than to go for best power
which I have left alone for 5 or more years. Oops, late last year I did
drop the timing down to 6 to see if it helped an overheating issue, it
didn't, the waterpump was bad so it is back at 9.
So you just aren't going to stop with the BS eh.
Ok I will bite only because I am bored.
Just what 'functional' tests do you think the 258's Ford emissions
computer will tell them about eh?
Don't forget that it has no data port or OBD crap so the 'functional'
tests are the gas cap because they can pressurize that, they could watch
the EGR move I guess and watch the air filter flaps move or vacuum test
them. I guess you could vacuum test the canister too. And you could
toss a timing light on it because it has no magnetic pickup for the
computer. Maybe make the PCV rattle?
All that is moot, because all that is in place and working.
LOL!!!!!
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> I must have missed the part where it passed the visual or functional tests....Oh
> yeah, they didn't do any....
>
> Apples and oranges.
>
> In message <4260206A.15E36A@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >ROTFLMAO!
> >
> >Gotcha.
> >
> >SOB, I just found another of 'my' emissions slips and they put the NOx
> >reading on it!!!!
> >
> >1986 Canadian CJ7 4.2L, 'No' Catalytic converter (not needed in Canada),
> >no computer, base timing set at 9 deg BTDC with the vacuum line off like
> >the book says, 92 octane ESSO gas, stock BBD carb set to best lean idle
> >and ported on the timing advance and......
> >
> >Drumroll........
> >
> >On the ASM 2525 test I got 589 NOx!!!!!.
> >
> >16 ppm HC
> >
> >0.11% CO
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >That was on my 2003 test.
> >
> >Darn it I knew I had my own numbers around for NOx somewhere.
> >
> >So my 86 CJ7 set up just like it is would pass California emissions for
> >an 89 YJ!!!!
> >
> >Photo of the papers here:
> >http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=4290636987
> >
> >And a post on alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 with the JPG photo of the
> >paperwork.
> >
> >Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> >
> >Oh, Not a fluke, I killed the computer in 2000, this was just the only
> >year they actually put the NOx reading on because I don't have to pass
> >that.
> >
> >Good bye now bllsht.
> >
> >;-p
> >
> >Mike.
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <425ECFA0.AF4A3AD6@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing I've said is BS, and none of it is what 'could' happen. I told you > what 'would' happen, and I told you why.
> >> >
> >> >Sigh.....
> >> >
> >> >First you say:
> >> >
> >> >you will fail the NOx portion of the emissions test miserably.
> >>
> >> With timing set to factory specs, it will definitely fail miserably.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Then after 'much' prompting you say:
> >> >
> >> >Anyone can tweak enough and get it to pass out the pipe.
> >>
> >> I also said that it takes more than passing out the pipe to pass a smog test in
> >> California. You tweak the timing enough to make up for the lack of spark
> >> control and you WILL fail the ignition timing check. Fail the timing check and
> >> you fail the smog test. Get it?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I give up.....
> >> >
> >> >Oh and Norm moved away 2 or 3 years ago. He just moved back to this
> >> >city and stopped in for a beer. He doesn't need my help to pass
> >> >emissions.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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