L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Sometimes, I need to save the strap from being cut, I would then
use a short piece of chain to make a loop around the frame and though
the strap, about the size of your trailer safety chains. Just use our
brains, when adding a possible missile.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> adding to the end of a strap!
>
> This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
>
> You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
>
> NEVER!
>
> We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Sometimes, I need to save the strap from being cut, I would then
use a short piece of chain to make a loop around the frame and though
the strap, about the size of your trailer safety chains. Just use our
brains, when adding a possible missile.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> adding to the end of a strap!
>
> This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
>
> You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
>
> NEVER!
>
> We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jeff Strickland

"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41c9f996$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Hi Jeff:
>
> Why 4-HI? I would think that the recovery vehicle should be in 4-LO, which
> would give the recovery vehicle a LOT more torque or "pulling power>"
>
> Tom
>

If you are pulling cars out of snow banks with a Libby, 4HI should be OK
more often than not. But, since one is starting from a standing stop, I
suppose the effort to get into 4LO is about the same.

The trouble with using a Libby for recovery operations is that it is
probably too light, and won't pull very well anyway. If it can accomplish
the recovery operation at all, it can probably do it in HI. I am not meaning
to go around dissing Libbys, it's just a matter of physics that the Libby is
light, short, and narrow, and pulling stuff is going to be more a mattter of
weight and traction than power.

Jeff Strickland

"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41c9f996$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Hi Jeff:
>
> Why 4-HI? I would think that the recovery vehicle should be in 4-LO, which
> would give the recovery vehicle a LOT more torque or "pulling power>"
>
> Tom
>

If you are pulling cars out of snow banks with a Libby, 4HI should be OK
more often than not. But, since one is starting from a standing stop, I
suppose the effort to get into 4LO is about the same.

The trouble with using a Libby for recovery operations is that it is
probably too light, and won't pull very well anyway. If it can accomplish
the recovery operation at all, it can probably do it in HI. I am not meaning
to go around dissing Libbys, it's just a matter of physics that the Libby is
light, short, and narrow, and pulling stuff is going to be more a mattter of
weight and traction than power.

Jeff Strickland

"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41c9f996$1_5@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Hi Jeff:
>
> Why 4-HI? I would think that the recovery vehicle should be in 4-LO, which
> would give the recovery vehicle a LOT more torque or "pulling power>"
>
> Tom
>

If you are pulling cars out of snow banks with a Libby, 4HI should be OK
more often than not. But, since one is starting from a standing stop, I
suppose the effort to get into 4LO is about the same.

The trouble with using a Libby for recovery operations is that it is
probably too light, and won't pull very well anyway. If it can accomplish
the recovery operation at all, it can probably do it in HI. I am not meaning
to go around dissing Libbys, it's just a matter of physics that the Libby is
light, short, and narrow, and pulling stuff is going to be more a mattter of
weight and traction than power.

Jeff Strickland

I have a short length of chain that can accomodate 5000 pound loads. It is
probably about 6 ft long. The only use for it is to wrap around the frame so
the sharp edges of the undercarriage are away from my strap. I use a double
loop on the chain to maximize the capacity, and I use a couple of D-rings to
couple the ends together.

Using a chain is problematic because if it should break then it can go
flying. The way I tie it, it would have to not only break but unravel itself
from the frame of the object vehicle before it could go anywhere, so all
things considered, it should be OK. It also matters that the kinds of places
where it is used are not the kinds of places where the stress will break the
chain. The only reason I get it out is if I fear sharp-edge issues that can
damage my strap. And, I NEVER yank the loads. I always pull the strap up
tight, then start the pull of the load. If my 11.50's can't get a bite, then
I need another Jeep to help anyway, and yanking stuff under those conditions
strikes me as dangerous.






"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uEryd.11046$Z47.8068@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Jeff - can you please describe "the chain"?
> I would be interested in what others use for "the chain" as well, thanks.
> Tomes
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10skcr75ipnhpa5@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> > news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> either
> > > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> > > No one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> > >
> > > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > I always attach the strap, and I attach it to the frame. If I have to, I
> use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jeff Strickland

I have a short length of chain that can accomodate 5000 pound loads. It is
probably about 6 ft long. The only use for it is to wrap around the frame so
the sharp edges of the undercarriage are away from my strap. I use a double
loop on the chain to maximize the capacity, and I use a couple of D-rings to
couple the ends together.

Using a chain is problematic because if it should break then it can go
flying. The way I tie it, it would have to not only break but unravel itself
from the frame of the object vehicle before it could go anywhere, so all
things considered, it should be OK. It also matters that the kinds of places
where it is used are not the kinds of places where the stress will break the
chain. The only reason I get it out is if I fear sharp-edge issues that can
damage my strap. And, I NEVER yank the loads. I always pull the strap up
tight, then start the pull of the load. If my 11.50's can't get a bite, then
I need another Jeep to help anyway, and yanking stuff under those conditions
strikes me as dangerous.






"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uEryd.11046$Z47.8068@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Jeff - can you please describe "the chain"?
> I would be interested in what others use for "the chain" as well, thanks.
> Tomes
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10skcr75ipnhpa5@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> > news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> either
> > > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> > > No one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> > >
> > > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > I always attach the strap, and I attach it to the frame. If I have to, I
> use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jeff Strickland

I have a short length of chain that can accomodate 5000 pound loads. It is
probably about 6 ft long. The only use for it is to wrap around the frame so
the sharp edges of the undercarriage are away from my strap. I use a double
loop on the chain to maximize the capacity, and I use a couple of D-rings to
couple the ends together.

Using a chain is problematic because if it should break then it can go
flying. The way I tie it, it would have to not only break but unravel itself
from the frame of the object vehicle before it could go anywhere, so all
things considered, it should be OK. It also matters that the kinds of places
where it is used are not the kinds of places where the stress will break the
chain. The only reason I get it out is if I fear sharp-edge issues that can
damage my strap. And, I NEVER yank the loads. I always pull the strap up
tight, then start the pull of the load. If my 11.50's can't get a bite, then
I need another Jeep to help anyway, and yanking stuff under those conditions
strikes me as dangerous.






"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uEryd.11046$Z47.8068@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
> Jeff - can you please describe "the chain"?
> I would be interested in what others use for "the chain" as well, thanks.
> Tomes
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10skcr75ipnhpa5@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> > news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> either
> > > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> > > No one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> > >
> > > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > I always attach the strap, and I attach it to the frame. If I have to, I
> use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jeff Strickland

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> adding to the end of a strap!
>

I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.

Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.



> This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
>
> You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
>
> NEVER!
>
Right.

The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.



> We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.

That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
up a cliff.

Jeff Strickland

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> adding to the end of a strap!
>

I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.

Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.



> This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
>
> You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
>
> NEVER!
>
Right.

The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.



> We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.

That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
up a cliff.