novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
12-23-2004, 03:00 PM
#91
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> adding to the end of a strap!
>
I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
> This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
>
> You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
>
> NEVER!
>
Right.
The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
> We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
up a cliff.
12-23-2004, 03:04 PM
#92
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> If I have to, I use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
>
>
> Jeff!!!!!
>
> You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
>
> Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> tow strap!
>
> The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> RIP.
You are not picturing it right Mike.
What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
point that will prevent damage to the strap.
12-23-2004, 03:04 PM
#93
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> If I have to, I use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
>
>
> Jeff!!!!!
>
> You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
>
> Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> tow strap!
>
> The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> RIP.
You are not picturing it right Mike.
What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
point that will prevent damage to the strap.
12-23-2004, 03:04 PM
#94
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> If I have to, I use
> > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
chain.
> > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
the
> > loop on the end of my strap.
>
>
> Jeff!!!!!
>
> You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
>
> Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> tow strap!
>
> The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> RIP.
You are not picturing it right Mike.
What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
point that will prevent damage to the strap.
12-23-2004, 03:10 PM
#95
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I know 'you' have a half a clue how to use them Jeff, it's just the
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
12-23-2004, 03:10 PM
#96
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I know 'you' have a half a clue how to use them Jeff, it's just the
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
12-23-2004, 03:10 PM
#97
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I know 'you' have a half a clue how to use them Jeff, it's just the
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
general public might get the idea it's ok to combine a chain and a strap
and even doing it carefully can lead to deadly consequences if a link
pops.
It will be the hook link too you know.
Using a chain and loose hook is a 'last resort' and if you have to go
that far, you should 'not' be towing the fool out of the ditch, a tow
truck should.
My $0.02,
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4C7.855B2A43@sympatico.ca...
> > 'The chain' is a deadly weapon that Jeff has no business advocating
> > adding to the end of a strap!
> >
>
> I don't add it to the strap. I wrap it to the frame to separate the strap
> from any sharp edges. If there are no sharp edges, then I don't use it.
>
> Basically it only do this for the idiots from the city that drive the
> Maximas up the wash and get stuck in the sand.
>
> > This is the BIGGEST NO NO you can do!!!!!
> >
> > You 'never' add a chain or any metal parts to a looped tow strap!
> >
> > NEVER!
> >
> Right.
>
> The chain is merely used as a auxiliary anchor point if the logical anchor
> points can damage the strap. The point here is that I am not making the
> strap longer, I am making the anchor point safer. And, we are talking about
> pulling a car from a snow bank, not getting a stuck Jeep out of a ravine.
>
> > We just had this discussion here a while ago when the last guy got
> > killed by a flying metal piece hooked to a strap.
>
> That's why the chain is connected to the frame by at least two loops. Please
> remember the goal here is to pull a car out of a snow bank, not lift a Jeep
> up a cliff.
12-23-2004, 03:16 PM
#98
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
12-23-2004, 03:16 PM
#99
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
12-23-2004, 03:16 PM
#100
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > If I have to, I use
> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
> chain.
> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain through
> the
> > > loop on the end of my strap.
> >
> >
> > Jeff!!!!!
> >
> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
> >
> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
> > tow strap!
> >
> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may he
> > RIP.
>
> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>
> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp edges
> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of chain
> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point that
> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an anchor
> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
all....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's