Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
this country.

Earle

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Run bio diesel.
>
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
with a
> > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
night in
> > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
who
> > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> > minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >
> >>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> >>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> >>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> >>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> >>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> >>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
> >
> > latest
> >
> >>>'87 CJ project.
> >>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
> >
> > wheel in
> >
> >>>large groups like that anyway.
> >>>
> >>>Spdloader
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
> >>>
> >>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>>>
> >>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
> >
> > eh?
> >
> >>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
> >
> > Despite
> >
> >>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
still
> >>>>smarter than you Bret...
> >>>>
> >>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
the
> >>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>>>
> >>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
> >
> > welcome
> >
> >>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
> >
> > end
> >
> >>>>like I mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>>>
> >>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>not just me.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
get
> >>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
"What
> >>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> common across the nation
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right size
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right weight
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
such
> >>>>>as a Jeep
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> affordable to buy
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>>>>requirements"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's see:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Isuzu-several
> >>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>>>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>>>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>>>> Iveco-possible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many do you need?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

 

Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
this country.

Earle

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Run bio diesel.
>
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
with a
> > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
night in
> > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
who
> > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> > minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >
> >>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> >>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> >>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> >>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> >>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> >>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
> >
> > latest
> >
> >>>'87 CJ project.
> >>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
> >
> > wheel in
> >
> >>>large groups like that anyway.
> >>>
> >>>Spdloader
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
> >>>
> >>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>>>
> >>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
> >
> > eh?
> >
> >>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
> >
> > Despite
> >
> >>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
still
> >>>>smarter than you Bret...
> >>>>
> >>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
the
> >>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>>>
> >>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
> >
> > welcome
> >
> >>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
> >
> > end
> >
> >>>>like I mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>>>
> >>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>not just me.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
get
> >>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
"What
> >>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> common across the nation
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right size
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right weight
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
such
> >>>>>as a Jeep
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> affordable to buy
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>>>>requirements"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's see:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Isuzu-several
> >>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>>>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>>>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>>>> Iveco-possible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many do you need?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

 

Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
this country.

Earle

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Run bio diesel.
>
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
is.
> > I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
difference
> > between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
with a
> > whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
night in
> > the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
who
> > was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
the
> > ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> > minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >
> >>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> >>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> >>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> >>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> >>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> >>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
> >
> > latest
> >
> >>>'87 CJ project.
> >>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
> >
> > wheel in
> >
> >>>large groups like that anyway.
> >>>
> >>>Spdloader
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
> >>>
> >>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
> >>>>
> >>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
> >
> > eh?
> >
> >>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
> >
> > Despite
> >
> >>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
still
> >>>>smarter than you Bret...
> >>>>
> >>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
> >>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
the
> >>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
> >>>>
> >>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
> >
> > welcome
> >
> >>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
> >
> > end
> >
> >>>>like I mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
> >>>>
> >>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>not just me.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
> >>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
get
> >>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
> >>>>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
> >>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
"What
> >>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> common across the nation
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right size
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the right weight
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
such
> >>>>>as a Jeep
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> affordable to buy
> >>>>> *
> >>>>>
> >>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
> >>>>>requirements"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's see:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Isuzu-several
> >>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
> >>>>> Mercedes-OM617
> >>>>> Mitsubishi-several
> >>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
> >>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
> >>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
> >>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
> >>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
> >>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
> >>>>> Iveco-possible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many do you need?
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173342238.770768.70000@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
....
> Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in
> the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety
> of uses. MBZ insists on putting huge bag sumps on the front. They are
> the exception. Adapterwise they are not that difficult since every
> manner of car and light truck was sold somewhere with the more common
> diesel engines. I don't believe in adapting alien bellhousings to
> transmissions and prefer the scattershield approach.
> >
How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really
want to know.

Cheers,

Earle

 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173342238.770768.70000@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
....
> Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in
> the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety
> of uses. MBZ insists on putting huge bag sumps on the front. They are
> the exception. Adapterwise they are not that difficult since every
> manner of car and light truck was sold somewhere with the more common
> diesel engines. I don't believe in adapting alien bellhousings to
> transmissions and prefer the scattershield approach.
> >
How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really
want to know.

Cheers,

Earle

 

"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173342238.770768.70000@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
....
> Most diesels are made so they can have the sump in the front or in
> the back and sometimes the middle because they are made for a variety
> of uses. MBZ insists on putting huge bag sumps on the front. They are
> the exception. Adapterwise they are not that difficult since every
> manner of car and light truck was sold somewhere with the more common
> diesel engines. I don't believe in adapting alien bellhousings to
> transmissions and prefer the scattershield approach.
> >
How's the Deutz Wrangler with oil-cooled cab heater coming? People really
want to know.

Cheers,

Earle

 

On Mar 8, 9:05 am, Lon <lon.stow...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
> those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
> benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
> to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.

It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over
there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you
get rid of the catalysts, particulate traps and EGR they will burn
regular fuel. The EPA has nothing to say about it if you tell them
it's for a race car or an experimental aircraft at Customs. EPA is
prohibited from messing with those. If you are going into an older
chassis, KKKalifornia can be stumped if the engine is a "Service
Replacement Block" engine. Which since Euro engines do not have a US
format VIN they all are. You just have to be smarter than the average
bear.

>
> If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
> electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
> wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
> the bearings on an Indy Racer.


That's a myth that has persisted forty years now! The four wheel
drive STP racer (which took the pole on a junk unairworthy engine PWC
gave Granatelli to shut him up) broke bearings because of exceedingly
poor chassis design, NOT because of the mighty torque of the PT6A.
They refused to put U-joints at the transfer case.

I am kind of surprised that with all the junk unairworthy Allison and
Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen
more in off road recreational use.

 

On Mar 8, 9:05 am, Lon <lon.stow...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
> those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
> benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
> to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.

It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over
there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you
get rid of the catalysts, particulate traps and EGR they will burn
regular fuel. The EPA has nothing to say about it if you tell them
it's for a race car or an experimental aircraft at Customs. EPA is
prohibited from messing with those. If you are going into an older
chassis, KKKalifornia can be stumped if the engine is a "Service
Replacement Block" engine. Which since Euro engines do not have a US
format VIN they all are. You just have to be smarter than the average
bear.

>
> If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
> electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
> wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
> the bearings on an Indy Racer.


That's a myth that has persisted forty years now! The four wheel
drive STP racer (which took the pole on a junk unairworthy engine PWC
gave Granatelli to shut him up) broke bearings because of exceedingly
poor chassis design, NOT because of the mighty torque of the PT6A.
They refused to put U-joints at the transfer case.

I am kind of surprised that with all the junk unairworthy Allison and
Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen
more in off road recreational use.

 

On Mar 8, 9:05 am, Lon <lon.stow...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
> those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
> benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
> to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.

It's easy to get all the common rail engines over here-junkyards over
there will crate them up complete with ECM and harnesses. And if you
get rid of the catalysts, particulate traps and EGR they will burn
regular fuel. The EPA has nothing to say about it if you tell them
it's for a race car or an experimental aircraft at Customs. EPA is
prohibited from messing with those. If you are going into an older
chassis, KKKalifornia can be stumped if the engine is a "Service
Replacement Block" engine. Which since Euro engines do not have a US
format VIN they all are. You just have to be smarter than the average
bear.

>
> If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
> electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
> wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
> the bearings on an Indy Racer.


That's a myth that has persisted forty years now! The four wheel
drive STP racer (which took the pole on a junk unairworthy engine PWC
gave Granatelli to shut him up) broke bearings because of exceedingly
poor chassis design, NOT because of the mighty torque of the PT6A.
They refused to put U-joints at the transfer case.

I am kind of surprised that with all the junk unairworthy Allison and
Lycoming helo engines floating on the surplus market we haven't seen
more in off road recreational use.

 

On Mar 8, 11:08 am, "Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote:
> Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
> Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
> this country.


We have a lot of farmland not in production because the government
pays for its nonuse. Else farmers would overproduce. Biofuels will
probably raise commodity prices a little, but the price you pay at the
supermarket is not going to be much affected. I expect hemp will be
put back once they develop a version which looks different than the
THC producing kind so the booze lobby does not stop it.