Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
03-09-2007, 06:46 AM
#131
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
03-09-2007, 06:46 AM
#132
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Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
03-09-2007, 06:46 AM
#133
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Including buffalo chips.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We can burn firewood, coal, any damn thing.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:45f06216$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
>> At least we can burn firewood to keep warm.
>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>news:2I6dnR-Z5dNt6HLYnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>I have been there. You can see the mountains, but when you are coming
>>
>>down
>>
>>>into the valley from the mountains you can see that something is
>
> different
>
>>>down there, just like you can with Denver. I may have exaggerated a
>>
>>little
>>
>>>bit. The tourist from L.A. only had to take a couple of breaths from
>
> the
>
>>>bus exhaust to clear his head.
>>>
>>>;^)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef50b1$0$16387$88260bb3@free.teranews.co m...
>>>
>>>>Hi Earle,
>>>> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
>>>>mountains, now.
>>>> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>"Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>>>news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how
>
> "low"
>
>>it
>>
>>>>is.
>>>>
>>>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>>>>
>>>>difference
>>>>
>>>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>>>
>>>night
>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from
>
> L.A.
>
>>>who
>>>
>>>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to
>>
>>call
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>
>
>
>
03-09-2007, 06:48 AM
#134
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french
fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way,
everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
> Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
> this country.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Run bio diesel.
>>
>>Earle Horton proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>
> with a
>
>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>
> night in
>
>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
>
> who
>
>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>>>
>>>latest
>>>
>>>
>>>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>>>
>>>wheel in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>>>
>>>eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>>
>>>Despite
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
>
> still
>
>>>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>
> the
>
>>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>>
>>>welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>>>
>>>end
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>>>
>>>by
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>not just me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>
> get
>
>>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
>
> "What
>
>>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right size
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right weight
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
>
> such
>
>>>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's see:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isuzu-several
>>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617
>>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several
>>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>>>>Iveco-possible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many do you need?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
03-09-2007, 06:48 AM
#135
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french
fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way,
everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
> Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
> this country.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Run bio diesel.
>>
>>Earle Horton proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>
> with a
>
>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>
> night in
>
>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
>
> who
>
>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>>>
>>>latest
>>>
>>>
>>>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>>>
>>>wheel in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>>>
>>>eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>>
>>>Despite
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
>
> still
>
>>>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>
> the
>
>>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>>
>>>welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>>>
>>>end
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>>>
>>>by
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>not just me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>
> get
>
>>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
>
> "What
>
>>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right size
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right weight
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
>
> such
>
>>>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's see:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isuzu-several
>>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617
>>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several
>>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>>>>Iveco-possible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many do you need?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
03-09-2007, 06:48 AM
#136
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Incomplete thinking there. If food were cheaper, then the used french
fry oil would be more available and therefore cheaper. That way,
everyone would be able to afford a diesel to haul their fat **s around.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> Bio diesel sounds great on paper but it competes with food and worse, beer.
> Maybe if food were more expensive it would help the obesity "epidemic" in
> this country.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ldidndF8u6L5u23YnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Run bio diesel.
>>
>>Earle Horton proclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like
>
> with a
>
>>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One
>
> night in
>
>>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A.
>
> who
>
>>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>Spdloader wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>>>
>>>latest
>>>
>>>
>>>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>>>
>>>wheel in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Spdloader
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.news hosting.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>>>
>>>eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>>
>>>Despite
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are
>
> still
>
>>>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>
> the
>
>>>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>>
>>>welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>>>
>>>end
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>>>
>>>by
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>not just me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>
> get
>
>>>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is,
>
> "What
>
>>>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right size
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the right weight
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle
>
> such
>
>>>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's see:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isuzu-several
>>>>>>>Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>>>>Mercedes-OM617
>>>>>>>Mitsubishi-several
>>>>>>>Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>>>>VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>>>>Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>>>>Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>>>>Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>>>>Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>>>>Iveco-possible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many do you need?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>
03-09-2007, 11:01 AM
#137
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
03-09-2007, 11:01 AM
#138
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
03-09-2007, 11:01 AM
#139
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 8, 8:08 pm, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com> wrote:
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
> > Look on the net. About the only one that is a pain in the *** is the
> > MBZ because of its front sump.
>
> A little cutting and welding will fix that.
On the Mercedes engines the oil pump hangs below the block rail and
is chain driven, so there is little to be shaved off. About the only
alternative would be to dry sump the beast with external pressure and
scavenge pumps, a Bad Idea on road cars as if the belt fails you are
looking at catastrophic engine failure.
MBZ designs its engines for its chassis and vice versa. There were a
lot of the old pushrod OM's sold for industrial use, but they
generally had sumps more reminiscent of Continental flat fours-a bag
sump. Thermo King was the big MBZ customer until they switched to
Isuzu (a good move) in the early 80s.
"Other than that" and the use of vacuum vane governors up through the
late OM 616, the Mercedes small diesels are magnificent little power
plants. The lower ends can go a million miles. The bores go in about
300,000, but they are linered and usually a no machining swap out. If
they had an aftermarket chrome liner still available the bores would
go the life of the lower end probably.
Usually the chassis dies from rust or crash damage, or the car is
parted out because the transmission dies. The engines can be had for
very little money. But 4WD swaps are tough because of the sump
clearance issue.
03-09-2007, 11:04 AM
#140
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
>
> "Something different planned", uh, huh. A fuel burning cab heater is OK if
> you pay attention to maintenance. Mechanics that can rebuild an engine or
> an automatic transmission get all thumbs when faced with one.
>
The Webasto is pretty simple. So are South Winds and Eberspachers.
Most of these so caled "mechanics" are actually partschangers.
Webastos are readily available but they are expensive new, so are the
parts, but they are pretty reliable.