Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
03-08-2007, 03:26 AM
#61
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On Mar 7, 2:16 pm, "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
> The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and
> it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20
> years ago here.
>
> There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better
> torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than
> the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a
> lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better.
>
The torque and economy mean that in most countries if it isn't diesel
it isn't a off road vehicle. Unless propane is dirt cheap. Propane is
what Romain needs so his jeep club can sniff away to their hearts'
content. And you can run a barbecue grill off it too.
> The oil companies already have in Europe. My dad's diesel doesn't stink, and
> it certainly doesn't belch smoke. The engines you describe disappeared 20
> years ago here.
>
> There are many advantages to diesels over petrols for offroading - better
> torque per litre (the isuzu actually puts out more bhp/litre as well than
> the I6), and as they have much higher compression at around 20:1 you get a
> lot better engine braking. Plus the ability to cope with water better.
>
The torque and economy mean that in most countries if it isn't diesel
it isn't a off road vehicle. Unless propane is dirt cheap. Propane is
what Romain needs so his jeep club can sniff away to their hearts'
content. And you can run a barbecue grill off it too.
03-08-2007, 10:05 AM
#62
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
03-08-2007, 10:05 AM
#63
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
03-08-2007, 10:05 AM
#64
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Our USofA has decreed that sulfur must be removed as of mumble mumble so
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
those new urea injecting style diesels can run on it. Rumor is that
benz may be making some much bigger diesels available soon now--possibly
to stay in competition with the big V-10s available from the VW group.
If you really want high rpm torque, put in a diesel-electric where the
electric motors have max torque at stall. And put one in for each
wheel. Or put in a turbine which can generate enough torque to ruin
the bearings on an Indy Racer.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
> torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
> nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
> engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
> almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
> price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>> I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>> latest '87 CJ project.
>> I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>> wheel in large groups like that anyway.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>>
>>> I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>
>>> Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a
>>> Jeep, eh?
>>>
>>> There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>>> Despite your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they
>>> obviously are smart enough to know stupidity when they see it.
>>> Means they are still smarter than you Bret...
>>>
>>> And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>> forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out
>>> the 'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black
>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>>> welcome addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag
>>> along at the end like I mentioned.
>>>
>>> Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>>> in an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the
>>> trail.
>>>
>>> And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this
>>> troll by not just me.
>>>
>>> Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>> supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still
>>> get sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>> doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>> diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> common across the nation
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right size
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> the right weight
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>> as a Jeep
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> affordable to buy
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>> requirements"
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>
>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>
>>
>>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#65
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Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Run bio diesel.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#66
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Run bio diesel.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
Run bio diesel.
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it is.
> I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the difference
> between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with a
> whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night in
> the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
> was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call the
> ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
> minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45ef469b$0$4966$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
>>I would love to run Diesel if it wasn't so bad smelling. I am a low rpm
>>torque lover. No problems for a generator or even furnace, but Jeep,
>>nope.... We get enough fumes if the wind is wrong with just a gas
>>engine if running solo, let alone in groups. Our Canadian stuff is
>>almost half sulfur I think. Apparently they would have to double the
>>price or something like that to clean it up... ;-)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Spdloader wrote:
>>
>>>I must admit, I, too have considered some type of diesel swap into my
>
> latest
>
>>>'87 CJ project.
>>>I didn't consider the "stinkin' people out" side of it, but I don't
>
> wheel in
>
>>>large groups like that anyway.
>>>
>>>Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:45eed1d5$0$18152$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newsho sting.com...
>>>
>>>>I'll bite for the Troll.
>>>>
>>>>Just how many of the various stink pots will actually 'fit' in a Jeep,
>
> eh?
>
>>>>There is this slight issue with oil pan clearances and adapters.
>
> Despite
>
>>>>your racist take on the companies that make adapters, they obviously
>
> are
>
>>>>smart enough to know stupidity when they see it. Means they are still
>>>>smarter than you Bret...
>>>>
>>>>And who would want to 'always' have to bring up the end of the line
>>>>forever when off road or even on a road trip because they stink out the
>>>>'real' Jeeps behind them too much with their belching of black smoke.
>>>>
>>>>Until the oil companies clean up their Diesel, it will never be a
>
> welcome
>
>>>>addition to any of the Jeep runs we go on, except to tag along at the
>
> end
>
>>>>like I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, it is impossible to even follow a city bus in traffic
>
> in
>
>>>>an open top Jeep, let along have to gag along behind one on the trail.
>>>>
>>>>And Yes Bret, this have been brought up every time you post this troll
>
> by
>
>>>>not just me.
>>>>
>>>>Now if you have the money to but one of these 'new' engines that
>>>>supposedly don't smoke 'as bad', others have posted that they still get
>>>>sent to the back of the line because of stench.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Diesels are neat. They power some amazing equipment. There is no
>>>>>doubt that diesels can offer great economy, but the question is, "What
>>>>>diesel engines are available for Jeep conversions that are:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> common across the nation
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right size
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> the right weight
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> have a broad enough operating range for a multi-use vehicle such
>>>>>as a Jeep
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> affordable to buy
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with transmissions that must also meet the above
>>>>>requirements"
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isuzu-several
>>>>> Nissan-SD25, SD33T
>>>>> Mercedes-OM617
>>>>> Mitsubishi-several
>>>>> Perkins-still out there, low power-but FACTORY in CJs
>>>>> VW-maybe for a flatfender
>>>>> Peugeot-don't laugh, common in Bobcats!
>>>>> Cummins-OK if trans upgraded, heavy, loud
>>>>> Volvo-same as Cummins
>>>>> Detroit Diesel, Cat, Mack-NO!!!
>>>>> Iveco-possible
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you need?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#68
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On a clear day... and the skies are such a pretty blend of amber and
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On a clear day... and the skies are such a pretty blend of amber and
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>
03-08-2007, 10:06 AM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Novak has pulled their heads out-a little
On a clear day... and the skies are such a pretty blend of amber and
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>
brown tones.
L.W. (Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Earle,
> You know that hasn't been true in twenty years, we can see the
> mountains, now.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Earle Horton" <apodo@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
> news:87udnaUsw8E213LYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>We have low sulfur road fuel in the U.S. now. I don't know how "low" it
>
> is.
>
>>I rented a diesel Golf in Spain last year, and you can smell the
>
> difference
>
>>between that and a gasoline car. I don't know what it would be like with
>
> a
>
>>whole city full of them. They don't even have that in Europe. One night
>
> in
>
>>the bus station in Burgos, I was talking to a fellow tourist from L.A. who
>>was having difficulty breathing. I thought I was going to have to call
>
> the
>
>>ambulancia, but he stuck his face down by the bus exhausts for a few
>>minutes. "There, that's better", he said.
>>
>>Earle
>
>
>
>
>