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Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 12:42 AM

Not a poser!
 
After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
mods on my '94 YJ:

37x12.5" SuperSwampers

Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s

Dynatrac 44 Front

Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners

*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
to have)

Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:

Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)

Borla Headers

Borla Stainless CatBack

Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
elbow and Dryer ducting)

Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html

I'm hungry for more!


c 11-17-2003 01:11 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>


Awesome Cal.

I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
time.

Thanks
Chris




c 11-17-2003 01:11 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>


Awesome Cal.

I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
time.

Thanks
Chris




c 11-17-2003 01:11 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>


Awesome Cal.

I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
time.

Thanks
Chris




Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 04:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
c wrote:

> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
> Awesome Cal.
>
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.


That alone gives it over 5 inches!

The teraflex shackles + a SOA will give you loads of clearance and
articulation for pretty cheap.

> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them?


The previous owner had done about a 2.5 spring lift, so I don't think
they're the original springs. However, there's no way to ID 'em, I don't
think.

>Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much?


No body lift at all. BTW, I was amazed how well it handled on the
freeway after all those changes, but then the wheelbase is much wider
too. It feels pretty darn stable.

> I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Heh. Neither did I, or if I did, a reinstall lost 'em. I had to go look
in Google to find it myself!

The air springs fit in between the springs and the frame. I have the
limited so they don't hyperextend, but I pumped them to max 30 lbs on
that run. Even I thought it was wacky, but it has a real benefit to it.


Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 04:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
c wrote:

> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
> Awesome Cal.
>
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.


That alone gives it over 5 inches!

The teraflex shackles + a SOA will give you loads of clearance and
articulation for pretty cheap.

> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them?


The previous owner had done about a 2.5 spring lift, so I don't think
they're the original springs. However, there's no way to ID 'em, I don't
think.

>Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much?


No body lift at all. BTW, I was amazed how well it handled on the
freeway after all those changes, but then the wheelbase is much wider
too. It feels pretty darn stable.

> I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Heh. Neither did I, or if I did, a reinstall lost 'em. I had to go look
in Google to find it myself!

The air springs fit in between the springs and the frame. I have the
limited so they don't hyperextend, but I pumped them to max 30 lbs on
that run. Even I thought it was wacky, but it has a real benefit to it.


Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 04:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
c wrote:

> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
> Awesome Cal.
>
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.


That alone gives it over 5 inches!

The teraflex shackles + a SOA will give you loads of clearance and
articulation for pretty cheap.

> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them?


The previous owner had done about a 2.5 spring lift, so I don't think
they're the original springs. However, there's no way to ID 'em, I don't
think.

>Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much?


No body lift at all. BTW, I was amazed how well it handled on the
freeway after all those changes, but then the wheelbase is much wider
too. It feels pretty darn stable.

> I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Heh. Neither did I, or if I did, a reinstall lost 'em. I had to go look
in Google to find it myself!

The air springs fit in between the springs and the frame. I have the
limited so they don't hyperextend, but I pumped them to max 30 lbs on
that run. Even I thought it was wacky, but it has a real benefit to it.


J.P. 11-17-2003 03:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:<gBZtb.55097$M02.17510@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Chris,

Using the original springs with a SOA set-up is "iffy". I've done it
myself and the spring soon bent when I hit the brakes hard. At the
very least, I'd add a full-length main leaf under the first leaf.

The SOA gives about 4.5" to 5" of lift. After I bent my springs, I
installed a set of 1.5" Superlift Springs, I've been very pleased with
them.

I have a slip-yoke eleminator in the rear, and a CV driveshaft by Tom
Wood. I have nearly no vibration, every works great. Email me if you
need more info!

JP

J.P. 11-17-2003 03:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:<gBZtb.55097$M02.17510@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Chris,

Using the original springs with a SOA set-up is "iffy". I've done it
myself and the spring soon bent when I hit the brakes hard. At the
very least, I'd add a full-length main leaf under the first leaf.

The SOA gives about 4.5" to 5" of lift. After I bent my springs, I
installed a set of 1.5" Superlift Springs, I've been very pleased with
them.

I have a slip-yoke eleminator in the rear, and a CV driveshaft by Tom
Wood. I have nearly no vibration, every works great. Email me if you
need more info!

JP

J.P. 11-17-2003 03:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message news:<gBZtb.55097$M02.17510@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...
> I have a question about your lift. I see you have the SOA conversion done.
> Did you use stock springs, or is there addition lift with them? Also, did
> you do a body lift at all, and if so, how much? I think all the specs were
> on your website, but I never bookmarked the page when you posted it last
> time.


Chris,

Using the original springs with a SOA set-up is "iffy". I've done it
myself and the spring soon bent when I hit the brakes hard. At the
very least, I'd add a full-length main leaf under the first leaf.

The SOA gives about 4.5" to 5" of lift. After I bent my springs, I
installed a set of 1.5" Superlift Springs, I've been very pleased with
them.

I have a slip-yoke eleminator in the rear, and a CV driveshaft by Tom
Wood. I have nearly no vibration, every works great. Email me if you
need more info!

JP

Terry Jeffrey 11-17-2003 06:53 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.

My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers. My next project (when I get the cash)
is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.

I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA). Many say they open up like
alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
suppose to, often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
to break. I've only heard this from the SOA crowd. SUA rigs seem to have
no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
what I mean. Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
happens :). Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.

Terry
92YJ


"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>




Terry Jeffrey 11-17-2003 06:53 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.

My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers. My next project (when I get the cash)
is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.

I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA). Many say they open up like
alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
suppose to, often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
to break. I've only heard this from the SOA crowd. SUA rigs seem to have
no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
what I mean. Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
happens :). Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.

Terry
92YJ


"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>




Terry Jeffrey 11-17-2003 06:53 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.

My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers. My next project (when I get the cash)
is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.

I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA). Many say they open up like
alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
suppose to, often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
to break. I've only heard this from the SOA crowd. SUA rigs seem to have
no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
what I mean. Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
happens :). Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.

Terry
92YJ


"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
> After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
> with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
> intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
> mods on my '94 YJ:
>
> 37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>
> Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>
> Dynatrac 44 Front
>
> Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>
> *Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
> 4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
> to have)
>
> Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>
> Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
> morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>
> Borla Headers
>
> Borla Stainless CatBack
>
> Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
> elbow and Dryer ducting)
>
> Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>
> I'm hungry for more!
>




Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 11:38 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.


Thanks!
>
> My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
> heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
> now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers.


Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

> My next project (when I get the cash)
> is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.


Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
>
> I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
> set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
> I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
> moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
> while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA).


But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

> Many say they open up like
> alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
> suppose to,


Heh. They add 6 inches of travel or so. If I am ever climbing/descending
something so steep that another 6 inches tumbles me over, I'll count it
as a learning experience and pop 'em off. ;-)

>often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
> to break.


Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super Unbreakatanium!

I've only heard this from the SOA crowd.

That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
Revolvers.

> SUA rigs seem to have
> no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
> what I mean.


I did. Separating the wheat from the chaff, it mostly comes down to a
matter of personal preference, and I haven't yet experienced any of the
problems some of those dudes are talking about.

> Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
> happens :).


I did this weekend. There was one pretty steep ascent that required a
moderate amount of articulation, on which I had absolutely no problems,
but it wasn't very sustained.

I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
steep trails, and report back.

> Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
> already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.


Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
traction some say is supposed to happen.

On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
the lookout for alligators!
>
> Terry
> 92YJ
>
>
> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
>



Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 11:38 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.


Thanks!
>
> My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
> heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
> now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers.


Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

> My next project (when I get the cash)
> is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.


Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
>
> I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
> set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
> I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
> moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
> while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA).


But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

> Many say they open up like
> alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
> suppose to,


Heh. They add 6 inches of travel or so. If I am ever climbing/descending
something so steep that another 6 inches tumbles me over, I'll count it
as a learning experience and pop 'em off. ;-)

>often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
> to break.


Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super Unbreakatanium!

I've only heard this from the SOA crowd.

That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
Revolvers.

> SUA rigs seem to have
> no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
> what I mean.


I did. Separating the wheat from the chaff, it mostly comes down to a
matter of personal preference, and I haven't yet experienced any of the
problems some of those dudes are talking about.

> Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
> happens :).


I did this weekend. There was one pretty steep ascent that required a
moderate amount of articulation, on which I had absolutely no problems,
but it wasn't very sustained.

I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
steep trails, and report back.

> Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
> already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.


Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
traction some say is supposed to happen.

On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
the lookout for alligators!
>
> Terry
> 92YJ
>
>
> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
>



Cal Wheeler 11-17-2003 11:38 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
> Lookin good! One heck of a project you got going there.


Thanks!
>
> My ProRock60 front finally arrived and I just got it all put together with a
> heavy-duty hi-steer setup this past weekend. I'm running dual ProRock60s
> now w/ 5.13s and dual Detoit lockers.


Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

> My next project (when I get the cash)
> is to replace the steering box/pump, then perhaps an Atlas II.


Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
>
> I'm interested to know your opinion on those revolver shackles. I own a
> set, had them on for a while, but took them off with the last suspension mod
> I made. They sure added droop, but I'm reluctant to put them back on at the
> moment because I've heard bad stuff about their performance on SOA rigs
> while climbing steep inclines (I'm still SUA).


But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

> Many say they open up like
> alligator jaws on the steep inclines (and/or declines) when they aren't
> suppose to,


Heh. They add 6 inches of travel or so. If I am ever climbing/descending
something so steep that another 6 inches tumbles me over, I'll count it
as a learning experience and pop 'em off. ;-)

>often causing climbing difficulties and even causing driveshafts
> to break.


Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super Unbreakatanium!

I've only heard this from the SOA crowd.

That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
Revolvers.

> SUA rigs seem to have
> no such problems. Go to Pirates4x4.com and do a search and you will see
> what I mean.


I did. Separating the wheat from the chaff, it mostly comes down to a
matter of personal preference, and I haven't yet experienced any of the
problems some of those dudes are talking about.

> Put'em to the test on a steep incline and let me know what
> happens :).


I did this weekend. There was one pretty steep ascent that required a
moderate amount of articulation, on which I had absolutely no problems,
but it wasn't very sustained.

I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
steep trails, and report back.

> Besides, I would think a rig would have plenty of articulation
> already with a good set of springie leafs and SOA.


Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
traction some say is supposed to happen.

On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
the lookout for alligators!
>
> Terry
> 92YJ
>
>
> "Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
> news:bp9n3h$6ni$0@pita.alt.net...
>
>>After another extensive bunch of upgrades, I hit the trail this weekend
>>with a local Jeep club full of friendly and helpful folks. Not the most
>>intense trails, but a good variety of terrain to test out the latest
>>mods on my '94 YJ:
>>
>>37x12.5" SuperSwampers
>>
>>Dynatrac ProRock60 Rear w/ 5.13s
>>
>>Dynatrac 44 Front
>>
>>Teraflex Revolver shackles on all four corners
>>
>>*Individual air springs on each corner* (These will lift any corner
>>4.5"! They reaaaaalllly cush out the bounces and jounces this ride used
>>to have)
>>
>>Re-fabbed (3rd time!) Tire/Jerry Can carrier (had to mod to fit the:
>>
>>Hardtop (getting chillier; it was 42 degrees and blowing hard this
>>morning...no upper doors that fit yet!)
>>
>>Borla Headers
>>
>>Borla Stainless CatBack
>>
>>Under hood "snorkle" (moved airflow entry point up about 10" with PVC
>>elbow and Dryer ducting)
>>
>>Here's a particularly interesting little sluice:
>>
>>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/calwheeler/vnotch.html
>>
>>I'm hungry for more!
>>

>
>
>



Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 09:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
> Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
year.

> Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?


Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.

> But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?


Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.

> Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

Unbreakatanium!

Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
from the t-case down to the boot.

> That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
> reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> Revolvers.


You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
mouths there for me.

> I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
> steep trails, and report back.


Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?

> Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
> SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
> as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
> experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
> fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> traction some say is supposed to happen.


Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.

> On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
> the lookout for alligators!


Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!

Terry.





Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 09:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
> Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
year.

> Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?


Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.

> But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?


Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.

> Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

Unbreakatanium!

Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
from the t-case down to the boot.

> That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
> reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> Revolvers.


You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
mouths there for me.

> I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
> steep trails, and report back.


Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?

> Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
> SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
> as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
> experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
> fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> traction some say is supposed to happen.


Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.

> On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
> the lookout for alligators!


Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!

Terry.





Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 09:13 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
> Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
year.

> Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?


Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.

> But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?


Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.

> Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

Unbreakatanium!

Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
from the t-case down to the boot.

> That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
> reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> Revolvers.


You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
mouths there for me.

> I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
> steep trails, and report back.


Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?

> Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
> SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
> as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
> experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
> fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> traction some say is supposed to happen.


Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.

> On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
> the lookout for alligators!


Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!

Terry.





Joseph P 11-18-2003 10:50 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC
jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ



"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
| > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
|
| Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
mod a
| year.
|
| > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
|
| Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
spring.
|
| > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
|
| Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
really put
| them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
limited
| wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
|
| > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
| Unbreakatanium!
|
| Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
I went
| with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
| They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
crowds, and
| advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
yokes. It
| costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
When I
| opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
3" wide
| from the t-case down to the boot.
|
| > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
some odd
| > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
| > Revolvers.
|
| You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
loud
| mouths there for me.
|
| > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
longer
| > steep trails, and report back.
|
| Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
using?
|
| > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
before the
| > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
as much
| > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
physics
| > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
force to
| > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
| > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
| > traction some say is supposed to happen.
|
| Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
neglect
| like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
|
| > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
be on
| > the lookout for alligators!
|
| Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
|
| Terry.
|
|
|
|


Joseph P 11-18-2003 10:50 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC
jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ



"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
| > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
|
| Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
mod a
| year.
|
| > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
|
| Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
spring.
|
| > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
|
| Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
really put
| them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
limited
| wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
|
| > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
| Unbreakatanium!
|
| Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
I went
| with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
| They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
crowds, and
| advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
yokes. It
| costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
When I
| opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
3" wide
| from the t-case down to the boot.
|
| > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
some odd
| > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
| > Revolvers.
|
| You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
loud
| mouths there for me.
|
| > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
longer
| > steep trails, and report back.
|
| Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
using?
|
| > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
before the
| > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
as much
| > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
physics
| > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
force to
| > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
| > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
| > traction some say is supposed to happen.
|
| Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
neglect
| like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
|
| > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
be on
| > the lookout for alligators!
|
| Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
|
| Terry.
|
|
|
|


Joseph P 11-18-2003 10:50 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC
jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ



"Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
| > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
|
| Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
mod a
| year.
|
| > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
|
| Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
spring.
|
| > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
|
| Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
really put
| them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
limited
| wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
|
| > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
| Unbreakatanium!
|
| Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
I went
| with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
| They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
crowds, and
| advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
yokes. It
| costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
When I
| opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
3" wide
| from the t-case down to the boot.
|
| > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
some odd
| > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
| > Revolvers.
|
| You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
loud
| mouths there for me.
|
| > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
longer
| > steep trails, and report back.
|
| Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
using?
|
| > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
before the
| > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
as much
| > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
physics
| > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
force to
| > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
| > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
| > traction some say is supposed to happen.
|
| Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
neglect
| like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
|
| > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
be on
| > the lookout for alligators!
|
| Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
|
| Terry.
|
|
|
|


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-18-2003 11:01 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Over Axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joseph P wrote:
>
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-18-2003 11:01 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Over Axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joseph P wrote:
>
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ


L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 11-18-2003 11:01 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Over Axle.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Joseph P wrote:
>
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ


c 11-18-2003 11:20 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Under Axle &

Spring Over Axle

Chris

"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




c 11-18-2003 11:20 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Under Axle &

Spring Over Axle

Chris

"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




c 11-18-2003 11:20 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Spring Under Axle &

Spring Over Axle

Chris

"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 11:30 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Leaf spring terminology for you TJ guys :).

Terry.


"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 11:30 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Leaf spring terminology for you TJ guys :).

Terry.


"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




Terry Jeffrey 11-18-2003 11:30 PM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Leaf spring terminology for you TJ guys :).

Terry.


"Joseph P" <jpribe@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:zMBub.25038$C14.1063699@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>
> --
> --
> Joe Pribe
> NC
> jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com <you know the drill
> jegp 'at' hotmail.com < at is really @
> ---- I Love My O|||||||O TJ
>
>
>
> "Terry Jeffrey" <twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:plAub.6298$n56.3354@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> | > Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!
> |
> | Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major
> mod a
> | year.
> |
> | > Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?
> |
> | Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next
> spring.
> |
> | > But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?
> |
> | Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never
> really put
> | them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely
> limited
> | wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
> |
> | > Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super
> | Unbreakatanium!
> |
> | Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft
> I went
> | with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> | They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin
> crowds, and
> | advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and
> yokes. It
> | costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE!
> When I
> | opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is
> 3" wide
> | from the t-case down to the boot.
> |
> | > That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for
> some odd
> | > reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
> | > Revolvers.
> |
> | You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many
> loud
> | mouths there for me.
> |
> | > I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some
> longer
> | > steep trails, and report back.
> |
> | Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you
> using?
> |
> | > Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on,
> before the
> | > SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground
> as much
> | > as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the
> physics
> | > experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of
> force to
> | > fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
> | > weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
> | > traction some say is supposed to happen.
> |
> | Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks
> neglect
> | like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.
> |
> | > On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll
> be on
> | > the lookout for alligators!
> |
> | Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!
> |
> | Terry.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>




Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:25 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>>Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

>
>
> Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
> year.
>
>
>>Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?

>
>
> Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.


How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?
>
>
>>But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

>
>
> Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
> them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
> wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
>


You do have me thinking, though. I am gonna look into the possibilities
of a cable-driven lock system. Alternatively, on descent/ascent, I can
offset the tilt by 4.5" front or back just by airing up my springs.That
oughta level it right out, just like an escalator ride! :)
>
>>Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

>
> Unbreakatanium!
>
> Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
> with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
> advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
> costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
> opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
> from the t-case down to the boot.


Dammit, that's what I want. When I got my rear shaft, I called them and
said "Is this your heavy dutiest model, guys?" I thought the sliding
spline looked a little un-beefy.
>
>
>>That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
>>reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
>>Revolvers.

>
>
> You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
> mouths there for me.


Kinda Frat Party-ish! I am kinda diggin on the idea of the external DOM
scrapage frames some of them have, however. Takes it away from Jeepdom,
though.
>
>
>>I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
>>steep trails, and report back.

>
>
> Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?


The springs are two inch wide suckers the unkown PO put on to do a 2.5"
spring lift. Origin unknown. I am running no body lift, just the
combined SOA, spring lift, air springs, and 37" tires have that thing
towering over the other JPs in the club I just ran with. FRANKENJEEP!
>
>
>>Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
>>SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
>>as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
>>experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
>>fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
>>weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
>>traction some say is supposed to happen.

>
>
> Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
> like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.


Absolutely. All vent, ARB, EBrake, and brake lines got extended and
routed for full travel. EVERYTHING changes.
>
>
>>On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
>>the lookout for alligators!

>
>
> Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!



Right on. The Dynatrac Credit Card Overlimit Club!


Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:25 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>>Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

>
>
> Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
> year.
>
>
>>Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?

>
>
> Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.


How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?
>
>
>>But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

>
>
> Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
> them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
> wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
>


You do have me thinking, though. I am gonna look into the possibilities
of a cable-driven lock system. Alternatively, on descent/ascent, I can
offset the tilt by 4.5" front or back just by airing up my springs.That
oughta level it right out, just like an escalator ride! :)
>
>>Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

>
> Unbreakatanium!
>
> Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
> with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
> advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
> costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
> opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
> from the t-case down to the boot.


Dammit, that's what I want. When I got my rear shaft, I called them and
said "Is this your heavy dutiest model, guys?" I thought the sliding
spline looked a little un-beefy.
>
>
>>That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
>>reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
>>Revolvers.

>
>
> You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
> mouths there for me.


Kinda Frat Party-ish! I am kinda diggin on the idea of the external DOM
scrapage frames some of them have, however. Takes it away from Jeepdom,
though.
>
>
>>I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
>>steep trails, and report back.

>
>
> Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?


The springs are two inch wide suckers the unkown PO put on to do a 2.5"
spring lift. Origin unknown. I am running no body lift, just the
combined SOA, spring lift, air springs, and 37" tires have that thing
towering over the other JPs in the club I just ran with. FRANKENJEEP!
>
>
>>Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
>>SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
>>as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
>>experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
>>fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
>>weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
>>traction some say is supposed to happen.

>
>
> Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
> like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.


Absolutely. All vent, ARB, EBrake, and brake lines got extended and
routed for full travel. EVERYTHING changes.
>
>
>>On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
>>the lookout for alligators!

>
>
> Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!



Right on. The Dynatrac Credit Card Overlimit Club!


Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:25 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>>Dual 60's. Hard Core! And beaucoup dollares!

>
>
> Yep, not cheap that is for sure. That's why I only make one major mod a
> year.
>
>
>>Yeah, sounds nice. What size tires you looking to swing?

>
>
> Swingin 35" right now, but may step up to 37" and go SOA next spring.


How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?
>
>
>>But did you yourself experience any bad performance from them?

>
>
> Not I didn't experience any bad performance with them, but never really put
> them to the test since I lived in a place then that had extremely limited
> wheeling opportunities. I may slip them back on eventually.
>


You do have me thinking, though. I am gonna look into the possibilities
of a cable-driven lock system. Alternatively, on descent/ascent, I can
offset the tilt by 4.5" front or back just by airing up my springs.That
oughta level it right out, just like an escalator ride! :)
>
>>Yeah, but MY driveshafts are Tom Woods ones made from Super

>
> Unbreakatanium!
>
> Tom makes good stuff. This time, however, for the front driveshaft I went
> with High Angle Driveline: http://www.highangledriveline.com
> They came highly recommended by Dynatrac and some rock-crawlin crowds, and
> advertise higher angles than Tom Woods with the 1350 u-joints and yokes. It
> costs a few bucks more, but this friggin driveshaft is MASSIVE! When I
> opened the package my first response was "holy sh*t!!" The tube is 3" wide
> from the t-case down to the boot.


Dammit, that's what I want. When I got my rear shaft, I called them and
said "Is this your heavy dutiest model, guys?" I thought the sliding
spline looked a little un-beefy.
>
>
>>That Pirate group seems to have a mob mentality about 'em, for some odd
>>reason. I have zero problem with body roll and axle wrap with the
>>Revolvers.

>
>
> You are right. That is why I don't hang out there often. Too many loud
> mouths there for me.


Kinda Frat Party-ish! I am kinda diggin on the idea of the external DOM
scrapage frames some of them have, however. Takes it away from Jeepdom,
though.
>
>
>>I'll try it out in Rowher Flats soon, which is known for some longer
>>steep trails, and report back.

>
>
> Sounds good. I may go SOA myself soon. What springs & lift are you using?


The springs are two inch wide suckers the unkown PO put on to do a 2.5"
spring lift. Origin unknown. I am running no body lift, just the
combined SOA, spring lift, air springs, and 37" tires have that thing
towering over the other JPs in the club I just ran with. FRANKENJEEP!
>
>
>>Too much is never enough! They were the first thing I put on, before the
>>SOA. What can I say, I like having all four wheels on the ground as much
>>as possible. And they don't just drop loose, like some of the physics
>>experts on the Pirate boards think. It actually takes a lot of force to
>>fully extend them, and they wouldn't be drooping/stuffing if they
>>weren't conforming to the terrain. I haven't noticed the lack of
>>traction some say is supposed to happen.

>
>
> Yup, just be sure to make the other necessary mods that some folks neglect
> like longer extending driveshaft, longer brake lines, etc.


Absolutely. All vent, ARB, EBrake, and brake lines got extended and
routed for full travel. EVERYTHING changes.
>
>
>>On the other hand, I haven't given it a true acid test yet. I'll be on
>>the lookout for alligators!

>
>
> Good luck to ya! Maybe we'll meet on the trails one day!



Right on. The Dynatrac Credit Card Overlimit Club!


Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:29 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Joseph P wrote:

> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>

SOA_ Spring Over Axle or Soon On your Ass!

SUA Spring Under Axle or Sadly Under Articulated ;-)


Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:29 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Joseph P wrote:

> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>

SOA_ Spring Over Axle or Soon On your Ass!

SUA Spring Under Axle or Sadly Under Articulated ;-)


Cal Wheeler 11-19-2003 02:29 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 
Joseph P wrote:

> Hmmm...stumped on two new acronyms...SUA...SOA?????
> What is wrong with me...I am not that new to wheelin.... ;)
>

SOA_ Spring Over Axle or Soon On your Ass!

SUA Spring Under Axle or Sadly Under Articulated ;-)


Terry Jeffrey 11-20-2003 12:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

> How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?

Suits me fine. I think they go well together, but I like the lower gearing
too. I can certainly go a little taller tires in the future also. In 5th
on the highway, I push around 2300 rpms @ 60mph, 2700rpms @70mph. I rarely
go faster than that in my Jeep.

Terry.





Terry Jeffrey 11-20-2003 12:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

> How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?

Suits me fine. I think they go well together, but I like the lower gearing
too. I can certainly go a little taller tires in the future also. In 5th
on the highway, I push around 2300 rpms @ 60mph, 2700rpms @70mph. I rarely
go faster than that in my Jeep.

Terry.





Terry Jeffrey 11-20-2003 12:02 AM

Re: Not a poser!
 

> How do 5.13s and 35s go together? How's your 4th and 5th on the freeway?

Suits me fine. I think they go well together, but I like the lower gearing
too. I can certainly go a little taller tires in the future also. In 5th
on the highway, I push around 2300 rpms @ 60mph, 2700rpms @70mph. I rarely
go faster than that in my Jeep.

Terry.






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