Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:35:38 UTC "c" <c@me.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>> news:rU%Pg.12$iA5.11@dukeread11...
>> >c wrote:
>> >> Well, it looks like Earle wins. I didn't actually tear it apart, but I
>> >> jacked it up again and did spin the wheels this time with the truck in
>> >> neutral, and sure enough there is something inside the drum that is
>> >> loose. Whatever it is, it's rolling inside the drum as I turn the
>> >> wheels. Not in the mood to sit in the rain and fix it, so I'll just
>> >> drive something else tomorrow, lol. Thanks for the replies guys.
>> >
>> > If I were to guess it would be one of the springs broke or pad
>> > seperation.
>> >
>> > On drums I always put in a fresh kit of springs, adjuster and
>> > springypingthings.
>> >
>> > Working in the rain is easy. Once your wet, your wet. :)
>> >
>> > Actually when working on my truck up at college I used a tarps held in
>> > place with suction cups, rope, and poles. Made a little tent over what
>> > ever I was working on at the time. Looked like a hobo village but even
>> > in the winter it was enough shelter to stay warm(ish).
>> >
>> > --
>> > DougW
>> >
>>
>> Everything was new when I built this axle, including all the brake
>> hardware.
>> It is a slightly narrowed 9" that one of the local shops here narrowed
>> for
>> me. They preassembled the brakes with all new hardware including the
>> backing
>> plates. Like I said, I am going to wait until the rain stops. The rain
>> doesn't usually bother me, but when it is combined with 25 mph winds and
>> 47
>> degree temps, I'm waiting, LOL. I'm getting too old for that ----! ;-)
>
> Yeah, Doug. Here's a guy with a perfectly good reason to
> procrastinate and you want to spoil it <g>.
>
> Never tried the suction cup thing - just wiped the fender dry and duct
> taped it. I carry a folded up sheet of 6 mil painter's tarp for such
> "fix it or spend the night" situations but those suction cups sound
> like a good idea, especially in the rain.
>
> --
> Will Honea


Hehe, I'm not sure if I'm procrastinating, or if I just don't feel like
catching a cold already this season. Seriously, if this was my only vehicle,
I would have been fixing it, but it's just my summer toy, so it's no big
deal if I don't drive it right away. I was more concerned about the
seriousness of what the failed part is, but it appears that I will just have
to redo the brakes. I may find out otherwise once I get it apart, but I will
do it in the confines of my garage unless it warms up. We are having a cold
snap here in Michigan right now, and with that and the rain, I just don't
feel the need to fix it immediately. I will have a stall open tomorrow or
the next day once my friend's VW is out of there. Just waiting for a part
that is on order and should be here tomorrow.

Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Will Honea wrote:

> Yeah, Doug. Here's a guy with a perfectly good reason to
> procrastinate and you want to spoil it <g>.

:)

> Never tried the suction cup thing - just wiped the fender dry and duct
> taped it. I carry a folded up sheet of 6 mil painter's tarp for such
> "fix it or spend the night" situations but those suction cups sound
> like a good idea, especially in the rain.

They work well, but the tape would probably keep rain from sneaking
down the side. I got the ones from an auto shop that have little
plastic clips. You just put the cup on one side and clip the tarp to
it. Works good for keeping the edges from flapping.

--
DougW

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Will Honea wrote:

> Yeah, Doug. Here's a guy with a perfectly good reason to
> procrastinate and you want to spoil it <g>.

:)

> Never tried the suction cup thing - just wiped the fender dry and duct
> taped it. I carry a folded up sheet of 6 mil painter's tarp for such
> "fix it or spend the night" situations but those suction cups sound
> like a good idea, especially in the rain.

They work well, but the tape would probably keep rain from sneaking
down the side. I got the ones from an auto shop that have little
plastic clips. You just put the cup on one side and clip the tarp to
it. Works good for keeping the edges from flapping.

--
DougW

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Will Honea wrote:

> Yeah, Doug. Here's a guy with a perfectly good reason to
> procrastinate and you want to spoil it <g>.

:)

> Never tried the suction cup thing - just wiped the fender dry and duct
> taped it. I carry a folded up sheet of 6 mil painter's tarp for such
> "fix it or spend the night" situations but those suction cups sound
> like a good idea, especially in the rain.

They work well, but the tape would probably keep rain from sneaking
down the side. I got the ones from an auto shop that have little
plastic clips. You just put the cup on one side and clip the tarp to
it. Works good for keeping the edges from flapping.

--
DougW

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
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>I have a feeling that this is going to be worse than I first thought, but I
>have a question for you axle gurus before I tear in to this thing. The axle
>is not in a Jeep, but I'm asking here because this is the only group whose
>judgment I trust.
>
> Anyway, driving home from work today, I start hearing this nasty noise
> that sounds like a VERY loose wheel bearing coming from the right rear
> wheel area. There is also a pulsing, almost like the brakes grabbing the
> drum, so my first thought is that the self adjuster must have stopped
> working and the brakes are really loose. The reason I am thinking (and
> hoping) it is just the brakes is that when I lightly touch the brake
> pedal, the noise and pulsing stop. The sound I hear is the worst when I am
> just leaving a stoplight, driving real slow, or decelerating. The noise
> isn't there if I am going at a steady speed or accelerating.
>
> When I got home tonight, I jacked the rear of the truck up, and tried
> moving the tires up, down, and back and forth to see if maybe the outer
> bearing was loose due to failure, but there is no movement there. I also
> noticed that the right brake drum is much warmer than the left one. It's
> not hot, but it is definitely a lot warmer than the other side.
>
> This axle only has about 10k miles on it. It does have a lock rite locker
> in it, and that is still working properly, because I hear it ratcheting
> when I turn. Everything in this axle was new, and it has been nice and
> quiet up to this point, so I am a bit puzzled. I would just tear in to
> this thing, but both of my stalls are occupied right now, and of course it
> is pouring rain. It never fails, LOL.
>
> Any input would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
>
> Chris
>

Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.

Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:CUZPg.9230$RN2.6523@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>I have a feeling that this is going to be worse than I first thought, but I
>have a question for you axle gurus before I tear in to this thing. The axle
>is not in a Jeep, but I'm asking here because this is the only group whose
>judgment I trust.
>
> Anyway, driving home from work today, I start hearing this nasty noise
> that sounds like a VERY loose wheel bearing coming from the right rear
> wheel area. There is also a pulsing, almost like the brakes grabbing the
> drum, so my first thought is that the self adjuster must have stopped
> working and the brakes are really loose. The reason I am thinking (and
> hoping) it is just the brakes is that when I lightly touch the brake
> pedal, the noise and pulsing stop. The sound I hear is the worst when I am
> just leaving a stoplight, driving real slow, or decelerating. The noise
> isn't there if I am going at a steady speed or accelerating.
>
> When I got home tonight, I jacked the rear of the truck up, and tried
> moving the tires up, down, and back and forth to see if maybe the outer
> bearing was loose due to failure, but there is no movement there. I also
> noticed that the right brake drum is much warmer than the left one. It's
> not hot, but it is definitely a lot warmer than the other side.
>
> This axle only has about 10k miles on it. It does have a lock rite locker
> in it, and that is still working properly, because I hear it ratcheting
> when I turn. Everything in this axle was new, and it has been nice and
> quiet up to this point, so I am a bit puzzled. I would just tear in to
> this thing, but both of my stalls are occupied right now, and of course it
> is pouring rain. It never fails, LOL.
>
> Any input would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
>
> Chris
>

Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.

Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

"c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
news:CUZPg.9230$RN2.6523@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>I have a feeling that this is going to be worse than I first thought, but I
>have a question for you axle gurus before I tear in to this thing. The axle
>is not in a Jeep, but I'm asking here because this is the only group whose
>judgment I trust.
>
> Anyway, driving home from work today, I start hearing this nasty noise
> that sounds like a VERY loose wheel bearing coming from the right rear
> wheel area. There is also a pulsing, almost like the brakes grabbing the
> drum, so my first thought is that the self adjuster must have stopped
> working and the brakes are really loose. The reason I am thinking (and
> hoping) it is just the brakes is that when I lightly touch the brake
> pedal, the noise and pulsing stop. The sound I hear is the worst when I am
> just leaving a stoplight, driving real slow, or decelerating. The noise
> isn't there if I am going at a steady speed or accelerating.
>
> When I got home tonight, I jacked the rear of the truck up, and tried
> moving the tires up, down, and back and forth to see if maybe the outer
> bearing was loose due to failure, but there is no movement there. I also
> noticed that the right brake drum is much warmer than the left one. It's
> not hot, but it is definitely a lot warmer than the other side.
>
> This axle only has about 10k miles on it. It does have a lock rite locker
> in it, and that is still working properly, because I hear it ratcheting
> when I turn. Everything in this axle was new, and it has been nice and
> quiet up to this point, so I am a bit puzzled. I would just tear in to
> this thing, but both of my stalls are occupied right now, and of course it
> is pouring rain. It never fails, LOL.
>
> Any input would be appreciated. Thanks guys.
>
> Chris
>

Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.

Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Hi Chris,
Bolts fatigue and break because they are loose and wiggling back and
forth, we used to see that a lot on the steel Jackman rims and continue
to see on commercial truck size rims under torqued. Many time they will
still feel over torqued in that the nuts are peened to the stud. Replace
the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
> interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
> heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
> off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
> rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
> truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
> figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
> stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
> have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
> and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
> missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
> have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
> damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
> nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.
>
> Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Hi Chris,
Bolts fatigue and break because they are loose and wiggling back and
forth, we used to see that a lot on the steel Jackman rims and continue
to see on commercial truck size rims under torqued. Many time they will
still feel over torqued in that the nuts are peened to the stud. Replace
the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
> interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
> heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
> off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
> rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
> truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
> figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
> stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
> have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
> and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
> missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
> have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
> damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
> nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.
>
> Chris

Re: Noise in 9" Ford rear axle
 

Hi Chris,
Bolts fatigue and break because they are loose and wiggling back and
forth, we used to see that a lot on the steel Jackman rims and continue
to see on commercial truck size rims under torqued. Many time they will
still feel over torqued in that the nuts are peened to the stud. Replace
the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

c wrote:
>
> Well, I took the drum off this thing tonight, and found something
> interesting. It was not the brakes, nor the axle bearing, but the noise I
> heard was in fact one of the shouldered sections of one stud that was broke
> off. The only thing I can figure is that when I got my tires mounted on the
> rims, the bastards at the tire place over tightened the lugs. Since I had my
> truck there, they offered to install the wheels for me for free, so I
> figured what the heck. Apparently that was a mistake. The lug nut and broken
> stud were inside the center of the wheel and stayed there because the wheels
> have a center cover that hides the lugs. The good thing is that the brakes
> and everything else inside the drum are OK. There was just a little corner
> missing off of one of the shoes, maybe the size of a kernel of corn. What I
> have to hope for now is that the knurled holes for the studs did not get
> damaged. If they didn't, this will only cost me the price of 5 studs and lug
> nuts, and the gas to go yell at the tire shop.
>
> Chris