no more trails say its not so
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Re: no more trails say its not so
Both.
The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
********!
Mike
SB wrote:
>
> Was that place privately owned Mike?
> what was done to "close" the area?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > I agree with them though....
> >
> > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > place is BS.
> >
> > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> >
> > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> >
> > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> > it was our 'day trip' area.
> >
> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HarryS wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > >
> > > --
> > > HarryS
> > > JAFGBR
> > > JAFTJO
> > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > >
> > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
> to
> > > cut
> > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > >
> > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
> the
> > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > > areas
> > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > >
> > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> country
> > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> Troyer,
> > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
> and
> > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > > call
> > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> attempt to
> > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> regarding
> > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> same
> > > page
> > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
> can
> > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > >
> > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
> three
> > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> Forest.
> > > >
> > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> South,
> > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
> been
> > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > >
> > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
> been
> > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > >
> > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > completed
> > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > > review
> > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > >
> > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> unlicensed
> > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> sunrise
> > > and
> > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > >
> > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
> have
> > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
> as
> > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > >
> > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> preventing
> > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
> the
> > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
> OHV
> > > use
> > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > >
> > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
> to
> > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> swollen
> > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > >
> > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > buggies.
> > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> because of
> > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > > Service
> > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > >
> > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> National
> > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > > habitat
> > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> seek
> > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > >
> > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
> may
> > > be
> > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> Vehicle
> > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > 84122-1150.
> > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > > "user
> > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> areas.
> > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
> make
> > > > its input known for each one.
> > > >
> > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
> what
> > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > > >
> > > > The purpose of
> > > > the new proposal
> > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > >
> > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
> in
> > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
********!
Mike
SB wrote:
>
> Was that place privately owned Mike?
> what was done to "close" the area?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > I agree with them though....
> >
> > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > place is BS.
> >
> > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> >
> > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> >
> > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> > it was our 'day trip' area.
> >
> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > HarryS wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > >
> > > --
> > > HarryS
> > > JAFGBR
> > > JAFTJO
> > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > >
> > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
> to
> > > cut
> > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > >
> > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
> the
> > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > > areas
> > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > >
> > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> country
> > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> Troyer,
> > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
> and
> > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > > call
> > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> attempt to
> > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> regarding
> > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> same
> > > page
> > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
> can
> > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > >
> > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
> three
> > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> Forest.
> > > >
> > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> South,
> > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
> been
> > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > >
> > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
> been
> > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > >
> > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > completed
> > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > > review
> > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > >
> > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> unlicensed
> > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> sunrise
> > > and
> > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > >
> > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
> have
> > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
> as
> > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > >
> > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> preventing
> > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
> the
> > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
> OHV
> > > use
> > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > >
> > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
> to
> > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> swollen
> > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > >
> > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > buggies.
> > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> because of
> > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > > Service
> > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > >
> > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> National
> > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > > habitat
> > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> seek
> > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > >
> > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
> may
> > > be
> > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> Vehicle
> > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > 84122-1150.
> > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > > >
> > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > > "user
> > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> areas.
> > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
> make
> > > > its input known for each one.
> > > >
> > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
> what
> > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > > >
> > > > The purpose of
> > > > the new proposal
> > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > >
> > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
> in
> > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
Guest
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Re: no more trails say its not so
Dam eh....
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: no more trails say its not so
Dam eh....
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: no more trails say its not so
Dam eh....
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: no more trails say its not so
Dam eh....
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
cleanups.
I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
wheeling down there.
I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
you head north.
Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> Both.
>
> The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> ********!
>
> Mike
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > what was done to "close" the area?
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > I agree with them though....
> > >
> > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > place is BS.
> > >
> > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > >
> > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > >
> > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
one
> > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
Bummer,
> > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > >
> > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > HarryS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HarryS
> > > > JAFGBR
> > > > JAFTJO
> > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > >
> > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
for
> > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
effort
> > to
> > > > cut
> > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
around
> > the
> > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
and
> > > > areas
> > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > country
> > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > Troyer,
> > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
Region
> > and
> > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
conference
> > > > call
> > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > attempt to
> > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > regarding
> > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > same
> > > > page
> > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
OHVs
> > can
> > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
to
> > three
> > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > Forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
them.
> > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > South,
> > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
they've
> > been
> > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
already
> > been
> > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > >
> > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > completed
> > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
The
> > > > review
> > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
Ocala
> > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > unlicensed
> > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > sunrise
> > > > and
> > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
already
> > have
> > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
vary
> > as
> > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > preventing
> > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
left by
> > the
> > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
of
> > OHV
> > > > use
> > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
visitors
> > to
> > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > swollen
> > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > >
> > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > buggies.
> > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > because of
> > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
Forest
> > > > Service
> > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > National
> > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
animal
> > > > habitat
> > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > seek
> > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > >
> > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
comments
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > Vehicle
> > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
517-1014.
> > > > >
> > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
develop a
> > > > "user
> > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > areas.
> > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
year,
> > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
to
> > make
> > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
of
> > what
> > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
867-4117
> > > > >
> > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > >
> > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
part
> > in
> > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he
wheels?!
:
That's me...
Not much wheelin' around here... farmland and housing developments. There is
a neat place about 30 minutes away: http://www.gopherdunes.com/ for mud runs
but its mostly a haven for motocross and atv's.
Most of the wheelin' I've been doing lately is up and down the steel ramps
in my driveway :-(
Pretty soon I'll have my floor finished, then it's back to the paint shop,
then sort out some driveline vibes, then headliner and interior.
The next two weeks will be dedicated to renovating my daughters rooms and
building furniture while they are away. Something always seems to come up
-Brian
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Re: no more trails say its not so
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he
wheels?!
:
That's me...
Not much wheelin' around here... farmland and housing developments. There is
a neat place about 30 minutes away: http://www.gopherdunes.com/ for mud runs
but its mostly a haven for motocross and atv's.
Most of the wheelin' I've been doing lately is up and down the steel ramps
in my driveway :-(
Pretty soon I'll have my floor finished, then it's back to the paint shop,
then sort out some driveline vibes, then headliner and interior.
The next two weeks will be dedicated to renovating my daughters rooms and
building furniture while they are away. Something always seems to come up
-Brian
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Re: no more trails say its not so
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he
wheels?!
:
That's me...
Not much wheelin' around here... farmland and housing developments. There is
a neat place about 30 minutes away: http://www.gopherdunes.com/ for mud runs
but its mostly a haven for motocross and atv's.
Most of the wheelin' I've been doing lately is up and down the steel ramps
in my driveway :-(
Pretty soon I'll have my floor finished, then it's back to the paint shop,
then sort out some driveline vibes, then headliner and interior.
The next two weeks will be dedicated to renovating my daughters rooms and
building furniture while they are away. Something always seems to come up
-Brian
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Re: no more trails say its not so
"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he
wheels?!
:
That's me...
Not much wheelin' around here... farmland and housing developments. There is
a neat place about 30 minutes away: http://www.gopherdunes.com/ for mud runs
but its mostly a haven for motocross and atv's.
Most of the wheelin' I've been doing lately is up and down the steel ramps
in my driveway :-(
Pretty soon I'll have my floor finished, then it's back to the paint shop,
then sort out some driveline vibes, then headliner and interior.
The next two weeks will be dedicated to renovating my daughters rooms and
building furniture while they are away. Something always seems to come up
-Brian
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Re: no more trails say its not so
I was having way too much fun at the Mariposa Folk Festival to get over
to Wasega.
I was working there as a volunteer and got 'stuck' making bubbles all
weekend. LOL!
I was running the bubble area for the kids right in the middle of 1 main
and 2 small stages.
We are talking serious bubbles here. There were some rope things that I
could spit out a half dozen at a time 3' bubbles and even a few 6
footers that would last a long time. Just had way tooo much fun.
Good concert too. Gordon Lightfoot even showed up and played.
Mike
SB wrote:
>
> Dam eh....
> Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
> cleanups.
>
> I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
> wheeling down there.
> I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
> you head north.
>
> Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
>
> Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
> I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
> the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
> Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> > Both.
> >
> > The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> > owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> > they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> > they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> > ********!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > > what was done to "close" the area?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I agree with them though....
> > > >
> > > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > > place is BS.
> > > >
> > > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > > >
> > > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > > >
> > > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
> one
> > > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
> Bummer,
> > > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > HarryS wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > HarryS
> > > > > JAFGBR
> > > > > JAFTJO
> > > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
> for
> > > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
> effort
> > > to
> > > > > cut
> > > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
> around
> > > the
> > > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
> and
> > > > > areas
> > > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > > country
> > > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > > Troyer,
> > > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
> Region
> > > and
> > > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
> conference
> > > > > call
> > > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > > attempt to
> > > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > > regarding
> > > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > > same
> > > > > page
> > > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
> OHVs
> > > can
> > > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
> to
> > > three
> > > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > > Forest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
> them.
> > > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > > South,
> > > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
> they've
> > > been
> > > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
> already
> > > been
> > > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > > completed
> > > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
> The
> > > > > review
> > > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
> Ocala
> > > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > > unlicensed
> > > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > > sunrise
> > > > > and
> > > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
> already
> > > have
> > > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
> vary
> > > as
> > > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > > preventing
> > > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
> left by
> > > the
> > > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
> of
> > > OHV
> > > > > use
> > > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
> visitors
> > > to
> > > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > > swollen
> > > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > > buggies.
> > > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > > because of
> > > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
> Forest
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > > National
> > > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
> animal
> > > > > habitat
> > > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > > seek
> > > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
> comments
> > > may
> > > > > be
> > > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > > Vehicle
> > > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
> 517-1014.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
> develop a
> > > > > "user
> > > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > > areas.
> > > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
> year,
> > > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
> to
> > > make
> > > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
> of
> > > what
> > > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
> 867-4117
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
> part
> > > in
> > > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
to Wasega.
I was working there as a volunteer and got 'stuck' making bubbles all
weekend. LOL!
I was running the bubble area for the kids right in the middle of 1 main
and 2 small stages.
We are talking serious bubbles here. There were some rope things that I
could spit out a half dozen at a time 3' bubbles and even a few 6
footers that would last a long time. Just had way tooo much fun.
Good concert too. Gordon Lightfoot even showed up and played.
Mike
SB wrote:
>
> Dam eh....
> Well, keep me posted of anything you come across and of any efforts for more
> cleanups.
>
> I've farted around back roads in southern ontario and don't see much for
> wheeling down there.
> I could see the wheeling areas sorta starting in this area and increasing as
> you head north.
>
> Wasn't there someone on here from the London area? Wonder where he wheels?!
>
> Hey, did you make that Wasaga "Blues Fest"??
> I'm taking off to Niagara after work today (parents) then off to Sarnia for
> the next stage of that Blues Fest (ZZ Top/Hip/Colin James/Bryan Adams...).
> Wonder if they'll let me go wheeling around the refineries!! haha
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40F35A7E.C9B17EFA@sympatico.ca...
> > Both.
> >
> > The one area we did the clean is sort of private with absentee land
> > owners and a bunch others, one just east of you near Minden was crown
> > they put to a provincial park with no vehicle traffic and another lake
> > they posted no camping within 100 yd or so, all 'totally' caused by 4x4
> > ********!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Was that place privately owned Mike?
> > > what was done to "close" the area?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I agree with them though....
> > > >
> > > > There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> > > > place is BS.
> > > >
> > > > We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
> > > >
> > > > Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> > > > Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
> > > >
> > > > A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of
> one
> > > > local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed.
> Bummer,
> > > > it was our 'day trip' area.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > HarryS wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like the tree ***** have struck again.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > HarryS
> > > > > JAFGBR
> > > > > JAFTJO
> > > > > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > > > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > > > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > > > > STAFF WRITER
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday
> for
> > > > > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an
> effort
> > > to
> > > > > cut
> > > > > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas
> around
> > > the
> > > > > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads
> and
> > > > > areas
> > > > > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
> > > country
> > > > > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
> > > Troyer,
> > > > > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain
> Region
> > > and
> > > > > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide
> conference
> > > > > call
> > > > > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
> > > attempt to
> > > > > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
> > > regarding
> > > > > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
> > > same
> > > > > page
> > > > > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where
> OHVs
> > > can
> > > > > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home
> to
> > > three
> > > > > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
> > > Forest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for
> them.
> > > > > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
> > > South,
> > > > > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what
> they've
> > > been
> > > > > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > > > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have
> already
> > > been
> > > > > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > > > > completed
> > > > > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest.
> The
> > > > > review
> > > > > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the
> Ocala
> > > > > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
> > > unlicensed
> > > > > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
> > > sunrise
> > > > > and
> > > > > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands
> already
> > > have
> > > > > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules
> vary
> > > as
> > > > > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
> > > preventing
> > > > > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails
> left by
> > > the
> > > > > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion
> of
> > > OHV
> > > > > use
> > > > > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of
> visitors
> > > to
> > > > > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
> > > swollen
> > > > > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > > > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > > > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > > > > buggies.
> > > > > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
> > > because of
> > > > > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the
> Forest
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
> > > National
> > > > > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect
> animal
> > > > > habitat
> > > > > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
> > > seek
> > > > > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such
> comments
> > > may
> > > > > be
> > > > > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
> > > Vehicle
> > > > > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > > > > 84122-1150.
> > > > > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801)
> 517-1014.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each
> develop a
> > > > > "user
> > > > > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
> > > areas.
> > > > > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a
> year,
> > > > > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed
> to
> > > make
> > > > > > its input known for each one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart
> of
> > > what
> > > > > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at
> 867-4117
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The purpose of
> > > > > > the new proposal
> > > > > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking
> part
> > > in
> > > > > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >