Chuck

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
>
> > Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> > dealer?
>
> Only the dealers accountant knows that.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their
actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not
pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice
statement they showed me.

It worked. I got mine for $1560 less than invoice and they still made
money. You just have be determined and courteous.

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HAV-A-GOOD 1

Chuck

I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

Chuck

Exactly, You go in with a preset payment and term and see if the dealer can
do a deal.

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Chuck

I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
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> If you don't care what the dealer makes and you have the money it all
> depends on what you want to pay. You have the power and if you walk you
> have even more power. Let them call you - and they will if you are
> resonable and make them thow in all the extras when they agree to a price.
> --
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> http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
>
>
> "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
> news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com...
> > Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay
> the
> > price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that
> do
> > not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the
> > invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> > dealer?
> >
> > I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the
> > sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with.
> >
> > --
> > HAV-A-GOOD 1
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a
dealer
> > pays
> > > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a
> > month.
> > > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with
> details
> > > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > HAV-A-GOOD 1
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chuck

Exactly, You go in with a preset payment and term and see if the dealer can
do a deal.

--
HAV-A-GOOD 1

Chuck

I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
news:vnhdgfnffo1l8d@corp.supernews.com...
> If you don't care what the dealer makes and you have the money it all
> depends on what you want to pay. You have the power and if you walk you
> have even more power. Let them call you - and they will if you are
> resonable and make them thow in all the extras when they agree to a price.
> --
> 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
>
>
> "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
> news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com...
> > Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay
> the
> > price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that
> do
> > not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the
> > invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> > dealer?
> >
> > I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the
> > sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with.
> >
> > --
> > HAV-A-GOOD 1
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a
dealer
> > pays
> > > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a
> > month.
> > > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with
> details
> > > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > HAV-A-GOOD 1
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

DougW

Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.***.net...
>> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
>>> dealer?
>>
>> Only the dealers accountant knows that.

> Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their
> actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not
> pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice
> statement they showed me.


As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't
comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price"
and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are
calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are
only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular
model.

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DougW

DougW

Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.***.net...
>> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
>>
>>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
>>> dealer?
>>
>> Only the dealers accountant knows that.

> Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their
> actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not
> pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice
> statement they showed me.


As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't
comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price"
and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are
calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are
only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular
model.

--
DougW

Chuck

Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was
paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price.

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HAV-A-GOOD 1

Chuck

I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
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> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.***.net...
> >> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> >>> dealer?
> >>
> >> Only the dealers accountant knows that.
>
> > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off
their
> > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did
not
> > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the
invoice
> > statement they showed me.
>
>
> As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You
didn't
> comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price"
> and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are
> calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are
> only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a
particular
> model.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Chuck

Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was
paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price.

--
HAV-A-GOOD 1

Chuck

I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:g83eb.1738$603.138@news2.central.***.net...
> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.***.net...
> >> Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> >>> dealer?
> >>
> >> Only the dealers accountant knows that.
>
> > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off
their
> > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did
not
> > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the
invoice
> > statement they showed me.
>
>
> As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You
didn't
> comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price"
> and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are
> calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are
> only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a
particular
> model.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

DougW

Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
> precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was
> paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price.

np. I'm just being a grouch today. Crappy weather is keeping me from
finishing up the projects I took today off for. :/

The dealerships make it all guess work for a reason. The best aproach
I've read about and used was going to the bank and getting their price
book. Using that as a starting point, then knocking off about 8% for
holdback. I also checked last years prices vs KBB prices for the same
vehicle and took that number right off the top.

I should add, the markup depends on vehicle demand. Lower demand vehicles
may not have more than 2-3% markup. Things like Vipers may have up to
a 200% markup just because they know the consumer will pay it.

Try here
http://autos.msn.com/
http://www.edmunds.com/
http://www.carprices.com/
http://www.motortrend.com/
http://www.kbb.com/

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DougW

DougW

Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
> precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was
> paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price.

np. I'm just being a grouch today. Crappy weather is keeping me from
finishing up the projects I took today off for. :/

The dealerships make it all guess work for a reason. The best aproach
I've read about and used was going to the bank and getting their price
book. Using that as a starting point, then knocking off about 8% for
holdback. I also checked last years prices vs KBB prices for the same
vehicle and took that number right off the top.

I should add, the markup depends on vehicle demand. Lower demand vehicles
may not have more than 2-3% markup. Things like Vipers may have up to
a 200% markup just because they know the consumer will pay it.

Try here
http://autos.msn.com/
http://www.edmunds.com/
http://www.carprices.com/
http://www.motortrend.com/
http://www.kbb.com/

--
DougW

Gerald G. McGeorge

Despite what Consumer Reports wants you to believe, invoice is indeed the
price at which MOST cars are sold to dealers, particularly those in high
demand. However, when things get slow in the marketplace, or a particular
model is in an over supply situation, then manufacturers will throw
incentive money at the problem in the form of dealer rebates, up front cash,
"0%" financing rates, etc. etc.to assist the dealers in moving the products
out. Dealers don't work on consignment, they finance their own inventories
(called a "floor plan"), generally through local banks or the auto mfrs'
finance subsidiaries. So, if the thing sits around it's not only losing
asset value as a commodity, it's costing the dealer daily interest to just
look at it.

Factory incentive money is referred to as "money in the trunk" in the auto
industry. It's a play on a common retailing tactic to incentivise the
market, it's not just a car industry thing.

So, what do you pay? Well, if you want something is short supply and hot on
the market, you'll pay over sticker for the privilege of owning it. If it's
a marketplace turkey that not even your dead uncle would be seen in, then
they may PAY YOU to take it of their hands. Depends upon what it is and how
emotional you want to be with the purchase.


"Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay
the
> price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that
do
> not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the
> invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the
> dealer?
>
> I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the
> sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with.
>
> --
> HAV-A-GOOD 1
>
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message
> news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com...
> > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a dealer
> pays
> > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a
> month.
> > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with
details
> > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > HAV-A-GOOD 1
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
> >
> >
>
>