New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
06-29-2007, 04:20 PM
#21
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Re: Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
>that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
>
>Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
>grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
>23 mpg highway just using 4th.
You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
about your cobbed up rig.
> Off road, well I am the one everyone
>tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
>
>Mike
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
>that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
>
>Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
>grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
>23 mpg highway just using 4th.
You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
about your cobbed up rig.
> Off road, well I am the one everyone
>tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
>
>Mike
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-29-2007, 09:00 PM
#22
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Re: Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
I haven't seen any pictures, just your unsigned bullsh*t!
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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06-29-2007, 09:00 PM
#23
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Re: Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
I haven't seen any pictures, just your unsigned bullsh*t!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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06-29-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
I haven't seen any pictures, just your unsigned bullsh*t!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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06-29-2007, 09:00 PM
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Re: Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
I haven't seen any pictures, just your unsigned bullsh*t!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
--
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06-30-2007, 01:55 AM
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Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
In article <u1qa83dgp8csdj6bbls3io1f8t0a9jqab5@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
06-30-2007, 01:55 AM
#27
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Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
In article <u1qa83dgp8csdj6bbls3io1f8t0a9jqab5@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
06-30-2007, 01:55 AM
#28
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Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
In article <u1qa83dgp8csdj6bbls3io1f8t0a9jqab5@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
06-30-2007, 01:55 AM
#29
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Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
In article <u1qa83dgp8csdj6bbls3io1f8t0a9jqab5@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Ya got what ya got for gear use, no amount of tweaking will do much for
> >that. The 4.0 is pretty well tweaked....
> >
> >Basically you have to change the gear sets if you have the bucks or just
> >grin and bear it and forget about a 5th gear or OD like some of us do.
>
> Yes cheapskates and wannabees like yourself for sure.
>
>
> >I have been managing quite well for almost ten years with 33's and get
> >23 mpg highway just using 4th.
>
> You have very low standards for sure and you are not getting 23 MPG
> either unless you are going slow with no head wind or drafting behind
> a semi. It is likely another one of your tials to make you feel better
> about your cobbed up rig.
>
>
> > Off road, well I am the one everyone
> >tries to follow to see if they can get where I am so no issues there. LOL!
>
> Your are a dreamer for sure. A old Sami with a good driver you kick
> you dream machines butt of road going place you would never get and I
> know my old old J20 would eat it up on a very seriously steep hill
> climb. THe reason you have no issues is because you simple do not
> know any better as you have not learned much in last 10 years.
So, what you're saying is that Mike should spend hundreds of
dollars replacing his drive axle gears so that he can use 5th
gear even though he currently doesn't need it.
That makes as much sense as taking up smoking because your car
came with a cigarette lighter...
06-30-2007, 05:50 PM
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Re: New Ring and Pinion Set OR Edge System Intake-Throttle Body- Control set
I concur with the other posts, regearing would be preferable since that will
put the enging back in its happy powerband. If memory serves you have 3.73
ratio (in the Sahara) so you could increase without replacing your carriers,
but it looks as if you did when you had the Tru Tracs installed. That would
have been the perfect time to regear, it would had added minimal labor to
the job.
I'd recommened 4.10's at least, I have 4.56's in mine with 33" tires. I did
replace the speedo gear but it still reads 60 when I'm going 55 by the GPS.
One of these days I'll get the correct speedo gear.
Remember engines typically have a finite life, and increasing power output
will increase internal wear and stresses that will decrease useful life and
create more maintenance issues down the road.
"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
>the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
>front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
>well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on the Edge System for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of the Edge System is that my high lift jack is under the
> hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> jack.
>
> Masnor@***.net
>
put the enging back in its happy powerband. If memory serves you have 3.73
ratio (in the Sahara) so you could increase without replacing your carriers,
but it looks as if you did when you had the Tru Tracs installed. That would
have been the perfect time to regear, it would had added minimal labor to
the job.
I'd recommened 4.10's at least, I have 4.56's in mine with 33" tires. I did
replace the speedo gear but it still reads 60 when I'm going 55 by the GPS.
One of these days I'll get the correct speedo gear.
Remember engines typically have a finite life, and increasing power output
will increase internal wear and stresses that will decrease useful life and
create more maintenance issues down the road.
"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
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>I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
>the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
>front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
>well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on the Edge System for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of the Edge System is that my high lift jack is under the
> hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> jack.
>
> Masnor@***.net
>
