I concur with the other posts, regearing would be preferable since that will
put the enging back in its happy powerband. If memory serves you have 3.73
ratio (in the Sahara) so you could increase without replacing your carriers,
but it looks as if you did when you had the Tru Tracs installed. That would
have been the perfect time to regear, it would had added minimal labor to
the job.

I'd recommened 4.10's at least, I have 4.56's in mine with 33" tires. I did
replace the speedo gear but it still reads 60 when I'm going 55 by the GPS.
One of these days I'll get the correct speedo gear.

Remember engines typically have a finite life, and increasing power output
will increase internal wear and stresses that will decrease useful life and
create more maintenance issues down the road.

"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
>the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
>front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
>well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on the Edge System for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of the Edge System is that my high lift jack is under the
> hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> jack.
>
> Masnor@***.net
>

 

I concur with the other posts, regearing would be preferable since that will
put the enging back in its happy powerband. If memory serves you have 3.73
ratio (in the Sahara) so you could increase without replacing your carriers,
but it looks as if you did when you had the Tru Tracs installed. That would
have been the perfect time to regear, it would had added minimal labor to
the job.

I'd recommened 4.10's at least, I have 4.56's in mine with 33" tires. I did
replace the speedo gear but it still reads 60 when I'm going 55 by the GPS.
One of these days I'll get the correct speedo gear.

Remember engines typically have a finite life, and increasing power output
will increase internal wear and stresses that will decrease useful life and
create more maintenance issues down the road.

"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
>the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
>front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
>well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on the Edge System for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of the Edge System is that my high lift jack is under the
> hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> jack.
>
> Masnor@***.net
>

 

I concur with the other posts, regearing would be preferable since that will
put the enging back in its happy powerband. If memory serves you have 3.73
ratio (in the Sahara) so you could increase without replacing your carriers,
but it looks as if you did when you had the Tru Tracs installed. That would
have been the perfect time to regear, it would had added minimal labor to
the job.

I'd recommened 4.10's at least, I have 4.56's in mine with 33" tires. I did
replace the speedo gear but it still reads 60 when I'm going 55 by the GPS.
One of these days I'll get the correct speedo gear.

Remember engines typically have a finite life, and increasing power output
will increase internal wear and stresses that will decrease useful life and
create more maintenance issues down the road.

"Masnor" <Masnor@***.net> wrote in message
news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
>the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
>front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
>well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on the Edge System for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of the Edge System is that my high lift jack is under the
> hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> jack.
>
> Masnor@***.net
>

 

On Jun 29, 1:12 am, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gears are the only way to properly fix it and restore the peformance you
> remember. I'd like to see a picture of the hi-lift mounted under the hood,
> if you dont mind.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
> >the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
> >front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
> >well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> > However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> > I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> > your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> > One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the
> > hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> > Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> > don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> > jack.
>
> > Mas...@***.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You asked about the under the hood mount.
This is the link http://www.mapgear.net/on_products_TJliftmount.htm.

There is a bit of con discussion on the forums, but I like the mount.
Contrary to the forum discussion a little over one half of the weight
rests on a roughly U-shaped bracket that is 99 percent of what you
buy. The rest is a bit of rubber tube to protect one support rod and
a spring tie-down. The U-shaped bracket goes over the battery (which
concerned me, but I've replaced the battery with little extra effort.
The bracket is supported by three points - two on the firewall and one
under the back of the fuse box on the inner fender. The fire wall
supports use existing bolts that you loosen and the bracket slides
down into slots. The third support point under the fuse box uses a
longer replacement "bolt" which I didn't really need.

Access to the battery for jump starts is no problem. If you even
think you will need to replace the battery on the trail, BE SURE to
take the right tools. Getting to the two firewall bolts is not easy,
but is possible from the ground. It is one of those times when you
only turn a bolt about 1/16 of a turn at a time. But, you will only
do this every few years when you replace a battery. In between those
times you will have your jack, it will be clean, and having it warm
and dry in the winter is a really good thing.

The base of the jack is over the battery. There is a rubber shield
flap (more for piece of mind than any potential for shorting out).
The base is held securely in place by a bolt pointing up from the
bracket that goes through one of the holes in the jack upright. A
nut, modified to be hand tightened by the application of a plastic
fitting, holts the jack down. The "plastic" part is not cheap. The
hand tighten nut looks vaguely like a water faucet handle. I have to
tighten it when I change the oil, but it is secure. And, it has a
tether. The top of the jack rests on top of the driver side support
bar which you have to turn upside down for hood clearance. The top of
the jack can just touch the power steering fluid cap on occasion. You
have some horizontal adjustment as to where the top of the jack rests.

If you wash off the mud and dust from time to time under the hood the
jack will stay relatively clean. What does collect on it is often
slightly oily which only serves to keep the jack from rusting. It is
out of sight and I think less likely to be stolen. It has been very
warm when I've used it in the summer, but it has not been too hot to
touch - as suggested in one of the forum comments.

Also for me, it has always been convenient to get to. The forum
suggests the jeep will be in a precarious condition and that the hood
will be a bad place to access. Maybe, but I'd rather be on the side
of the jeep than in front or behind it.

BTW, I have no relationship with mapgear.net or the On_Product
inventor, other than being a customer.

 

On Jun 29, 1:12 am, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gears are the only way to properly fix it and restore the peformance you
> remember. I'd like to see a picture of the hi-lift mounted under the hood,
> if you dont mind.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
> >the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
> >front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
> >well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> > However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> > I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> > your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> > One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the
> > hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> > Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> > don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> > jack.
>
> > Mas...@***.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You asked about the under the hood mount.
This is the link http://www.mapgear.net/on_products_TJliftmount.htm.

There is a bit of con discussion on the forums, but I like the mount.
Contrary to the forum discussion a little over one half of the weight
rests on a roughly U-shaped bracket that is 99 percent of what you
buy. The rest is a bit of rubber tube to protect one support rod and
a spring tie-down. The U-shaped bracket goes over the battery (which
concerned me, but I've replaced the battery with little extra effort.
The bracket is supported by three points - two on the firewall and one
under the back of the fuse box on the inner fender. The fire wall
supports use existing bolts that you loosen and the bracket slides
down into slots. The third support point under the fuse box uses a
longer replacement "bolt" which I didn't really need.

Access to the battery for jump starts is no problem. If you even
think you will need to replace the battery on the trail, BE SURE to
take the right tools. Getting to the two firewall bolts is not easy,
but is possible from the ground. It is one of those times when you
only turn a bolt about 1/16 of a turn at a time. But, you will only
do this every few years when you replace a battery. In between those
times you will have your jack, it will be clean, and having it warm
and dry in the winter is a really good thing.

The base of the jack is over the battery. There is a rubber shield
flap (more for piece of mind than any potential for shorting out).
The base is held securely in place by a bolt pointing up from the
bracket that goes through one of the holes in the jack upright. A
nut, modified to be hand tightened by the application of a plastic
fitting, holts the jack down. The "plastic" part is not cheap. The
hand tighten nut looks vaguely like a water faucet handle. I have to
tighten it when I change the oil, but it is secure. And, it has a
tether. The top of the jack rests on top of the driver side support
bar which you have to turn upside down for hood clearance. The top of
the jack can just touch the power steering fluid cap on occasion. You
have some horizontal adjustment as to where the top of the jack rests.

If you wash off the mud and dust from time to time under the hood the
jack will stay relatively clean. What does collect on it is often
slightly oily which only serves to keep the jack from rusting. It is
out of sight and I think less likely to be stolen. It has been very
warm when I've used it in the summer, but it has not been too hot to
touch - as suggested in one of the forum comments.

Also for me, it has always been convenient to get to. The forum
suggests the jeep will be in a precarious condition and that the hood
will be a bad place to access. Maybe, but I'd rather be on the side
of the jeep than in front or behind it.

BTW, I have no relationship with mapgear.net or the On_Product
inventor, other than being a customer.

 

On Jun 29, 1:12 am, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gears are the only way to properly fix it and restore the peformance you
> remember. I'd like to see a picture of the hi-lift mounted under the hood,
> if you dont mind.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
> >the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
> >front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
> >well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> > However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> > I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> > your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> > One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the
> > hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> > Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> > don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> > jack.
>
> > Mas...@***.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You asked about the under the hood mount.
This is the link http://www.mapgear.net/on_products_TJliftmount.htm.

There is a bit of con discussion on the forums, but I like the mount.
Contrary to the forum discussion a little over one half of the weight
rests on a roughly U-shaped bracket that is 99 percent of what you
buy. The rest is a bit of rubber tube to protect one support rod and
a spring tie-down. The U-shaped bracket goes over the battery (which
concerned me, but I've replaced the battery with little extra effort.
The bracket is supported by three points - two on the firewall and one
under the back of the fuse box on the inner fender. The fire wall
supports use existing bolts that you loosen and the bracket slides
down into slots. The third support point under the fuse box uses a
longer replacement "bolt" which I didn't really need.

Access to the battery for jump starts is no problem. If you even
think you will need to replace the battery on the trail, BE SURE to
take the right tools. Getting to the two firewall bolts is not easy,
but is possible from the ground. It is one of those times when you
only turn a bolt about 1/16 of a turn at a time. But, you will only
do this every few years when you replace a battery. In between those
times you will have your jack, it will be clean, and having it warm
and dry in the winter is a really good thing.

The base of the jack is over the battery. There is a rubber shield
flap (more for piece of mind than any potential for shorting out).
The base is held securely in place by a bolt pointing up from the
bracket that goes through one of the holes in the jack upright. A
nut, modified to be hand tightened by the application of a plastic
fitting, holts the jack down. The "plastic" part is not cheap. The
hand tighten nut looks vaguely like a water faucet handle. I have to
tighten it when I change the oil, but it is secure. And, it has a
tether. The top of the jack rests on top of the driver side support
bar which you have to turn upside down for hood clearance. The top of
the jack can just touch the power steering fluid cap on occasion. You
have some horizontal adjustment as to where the top of the jack rests.

If you wash off the mud and dust from time to time under the hood the
jack will stay relatively clean. What does collect on it is often
slightly oily which only serves to keep the jack from rusting. It is
out of sight and I think less likely to be stolen. It has been very
warm when I've used it in the summer, but it has not been too hot to
touch - as suggested in one of the forum comments.

Also for me, it has always been convenient to get to. The forum
suggests the jeep will be in a precarious condition and that the hood
will be a bad place to access. Maybe, but I'd rather be on the side
of the jeep than in front or behind it.

BTW, I have no relationship with mapgear.net or the On_Product
inventor, other than being a customer.

 

On Jun 29, 1:12 am, "Carl S" <carlsai...@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gears are the only way to properly fix it and restore the peformance you
> remember. I'd like to see a picture of the hi-lift mounted under the hood,
> if you dont mind.
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
> "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3%Fgi.652288$2Q1.204381@newsfe16.lga...
>
>
>
> >I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on
> >the road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift,
> >front and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives
> >well on road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> > However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> > I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> > your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> > One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the
> > hood and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new
> > Warn tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really
> > don't want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the
> > jack.
>
> > Mas...@***.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You asked about the under the hood mount.
This is the link http://www.mapgear.net/on_products_TJliftmount.htm.

There is a bit of con discussion on the forums, but I like the mount.
Contrary to the forum discussion a little over one half of the weight
rests on a roughly U-shaped bracket that is 99 percent of what you
buy. The rest is a bit of rubber tube to protect one support rod and
a spring tie-down. The U-shaped bracket goes over the battery (which
concerned me, but I've replaced the battery with little extra effort.
The bracket is supported by three points - two on the firewall and one
under the back of the fuse box on the inner fender. The fire wall
supports use existing bolts that you loosen and the bracket slides
down into slots. The third support point under the fuse box uses a
longer replacement "bolt" which I didn't really need.

Access to the battery for jump starts is no problem. If you even
think you will need to replace the battery on the trail, BE SURE to
take the right tools. Getting to the two firewall bolts is not easy,
but is possible from the ground. It is one of those times when you
only turn a bolt about 1/16 of a turn at a time. But, you will only
do this every few years when you replace a battery. In between those
times you will have your jack, it will be clean, and having it warm
and dry in the winter is a really good thing.

The base of the jack is over the battery. There is a rubber shield
flap (more for piece of mind than any potential for shorting out).
The base is held securely in place by a bolt pointing up from the
bracket that goes through one of the holes in the jack upright. A
nut, modified to be hand tightened by the application of a plastic
fitting, holts the jack down. The "plastic" part is not cheap. The
hand tighten nut looks vaguely like a water faucet handle. I have to
tighten it when I change the oil, but it is secure. And, it has a
tether. The top of the jack rests on top of the driver side support
bar which you have to turn upside down for hood clearance. The top of
the jack can just touch the power steering fluid cap on occasion. You
have some horizontal adjustment as to where the top of the jack rests.

If you wash off the mud and dust from time to time under the hood the
jack will stay relatively clean. What does collect on it is often
slightly oily which only serves to keep the jack from rusting. It is
out of sight and I think less likely to be stolen. It has been very
warm when I've used it in the summer, but it has not been too hot to
touch - as suggested in one of the forum comments.

Also for me, it has always been convenient to get to. The forum
suggests the jeep will be in a precarious condition and that the hood
will be a bad place to access. Maybe, but I'd rather be on the side
of the jeep than in front or behind it.

BTW, I have no relationship with mapgear.net or the On_Product
inventor, other than being a customer.

 

On Jun 27, 10:34 pm, "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote:
> I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on the
> road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift, front
> and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives well on
> road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the hood
> and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new Warn
> tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really don't
> want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the jack.
>
> Mas...@***.net

THANKS TO YOU ALL

I had trouble with my Outlook Express, and I didn't think my post had
been sent. It was a happy surprise to see it and your respones when I
looked through Google Groups.

I really appreciate the advice. I'll save up for the ring and pinion
sets.

Thanks Again,

Masnor

 

On Jun 27, 10:34 pm, "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote:
> I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on the
> road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift, front
> and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives well on
> road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the hood
> and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new Warn
> tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really don't
> want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the jack.
>
> Mas...@***.net

THANKS TO YOU ALL

I had trouble with my Outlook Express, and I didn't think my post had
been sent. It was a happy surprise to see it and your respones when I
looked through Google Groups.

I really appreciate the advice. I'll save up for the ring and pinion
sets.

Thanks Again,

Masnor

 

On Jun 27, 10:34 pm, "Masnor" <Mas...@***.net> wrote:
> I have a 2000 TJ Sahara manual transmission. Good shape, used mostly on the
> road for daily driver. But for hunting and looks I got a 4 inch lift, front
> and rear TrueTracs, and tires went up to 33s. It looks good, drives well on
> road, and gets me in and out of the hunting area with ease.
>
> However, 5th gear lags too much to use on the road. Engine is the 4.0L.
>
> I know I can change the ring and pinion set front and rear, but I'd like
> your thoughts on theEdgeSystem for a HP increase instead.
>
> One downside of theEdgeSystem is that my high lift jack is under the hood
> and I think the intake will be in the way of the jack. I have a new Warn
> tire carrier and bumper which can't accommodate the jack and I really don't
> want to change it. So, I'll have to find some way to carry the jack.
>
> Mas...@***.net

THANKS TO YOU ALL

I had trouble with my Outlook Express, and I didn't think my post had
been sent. It was a happy surprise to see it and your respones when I
looked through Google Groups.

I really appreciate the advice. I'll save up for the ring and pinion
sets.

Thanks Again,

Masnor