SB

I swore I thought someone said that DC upgraded from the old troubled rotors
to something that was 'less' prone to warpage. I believe it was 99 and up
or something...

Well, I bought a cheapy $25 tourque bar/wrech and (knock on wood) I'm at
25000km and haven't had a problem yet....YET! ;)


"Igor" <igarber@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:564bfe95.0405030605.3e223dba@posting.google.c om...
> Hey All,
>
> About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> wanted $450.
>
> I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> annoying.
>
> Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Igor.

SB

I swore I thought someone said that DC upgraded from the old troubled rotors
to something that was 'less' prone to warpage. I believe it was 99 and up
or something...

Well, I bought a cheapy $25 tourque bar/wrech and (knock on wood) I'm at
25000km and haven't had a problem yet....YET! ;)


"Igor" <igarber@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:564bfe95.0405030605.3e223dba@posting.google.c om...
> Hey All,
>
> About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> wanted $450.
>
> I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> annoying.
>
> Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Igor.

SB

I swore I thought someone said that DC upgraded from the old troubled rotors
to something that was 'less' prone to warpage. I believe it was 99 and up
or something...

Well, I bought a cheapy $25 tourque bar/wrech and (knock on wood) I'm at
25000km and haven't had a problem yet....YET! ;)


"Igor" <igarber@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:564bfe95.0405030605.3e223dba@posting.google.c om...
> Hey All,
>
> About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> wanted $450.
>
> I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> annoying.
>
> Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Igor.

Igor

> Somewhere along the way someone forgot to replace the dampener
> springs: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg Next time buy Bendix or
> Raybestos: http://www.raybestos.com/usa/brakepads.htm If you cut the
> leading edge of the pads off at forty five degrees they will not squeal.

Bill,

Correct. Someone just went out to the garage, pulled the box from the
pads out of the garbage and found a tiny plastic bag filled with
dampener springs in it... :-(

BTW, brakes are Bendix. Now to figure out where these clips go (your
picture helps, but is that all of them?) the little paper with
instructions is pretty crappy.

Thanks for the help, I'm glad I didn't screw it up too bad :)

Igor

> Somewhere along the way someone forgot to replace the dampener
> springs: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg Next time buy Bendix or
> Raybestos: http://www.raybestos.com/usa/brakepads.htm If you cut the
> leading edge of the pads off at forty five degrees they will not squeal.

Bill,

Correct. Someone just went out to the garage, pulled the box from the
pads out of the garbage and found a tiny plastic bag filled with
dampener springs in it... :-(

BTW, brakes are Bendix. Now to figure out where these clips go (your
picture helps, but is that all of them?) the little paper with
instructions is pretty crappy.

Thanks for the help, I'm glad I didn't screw it up too bad :)

Igor

> Somewhere along the way someone forgot to replace the dampener
> springs: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg Next time buy Bendix or
> Raybestos: http://www.raybestos.com/usa/brakepads.htm If you cut the
> leading edge of the pads off at forty five degrees they will not squeal.

Bill,

Correct. Someone just went out to the garage, pulled the box from the
pads out of the garbage and found a tiny plastic bag filled with
dampener springs in it... :-(

BTW, brakes are Bendix. Now to figure out where these clips go (your
picture helps, but is that all of them?) the little paper with
instructions is pretty crappy.

Thanks for the help, I'm glad I didn't screw it up too bad :)

Igor

> Somewhere along the way someone forgot to replace the dampener
> springs: http://www.----------.com/WJCaliber.jpg Next time buy Bendix or
> Raybestos: http://www.raybestos.com/usa/brakepads.htm If you cut the
> leading edge of the pads off at forty five degrees they will not squeal.

Bill,

Correct. Someone just went out to the garage, pulled the box from the
pads out of the garbage and found a tiny plastic bag filled with
dampener springs in it... :-(

BTW, brakes are Bendix. Now to figure out where these clips go (your
picture helps, but is that all of them?) the little paper with
instructions is pretty crappy.

Thanks for the help, I'm glad I didn't screw it up too bad :)

mic canic

the squealing you hear could be from the metallic in the new pads. a bigger
chunk than should be there causing the squeal, that happens with less cost
pads
did you clean off the rust and lube the caliper slides??? was there dents
were the pads contact the slides? with out lube the pads can get stuck in
those grooves and the caliper piston boot does not have enough strength to
pull the pad off the rotor and a squeal will result
hence the goop theory to silence the pads what it does is glue the pads to
the piston so it can be pulled away from the rotor when the piston retracts
bac into the caliper( but others will tell you different) what about the
rear brakes could they be do for replacement ?

Mike Romain wrote:

> There is some goop you buy that goes where the brake piston hits the
> pad. This stuff will stop most squeals. Some pads come with a fiber or
> metal backing pad that is for this too.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Igor wrote:
> >
> > Hey All,
> >
> > About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> > Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> > and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> > 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> > wanted $450.
> >
> > I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> > Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> > hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> > real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> > high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> > annoying.
> >
> > Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> > are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> > it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> > lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Igor.

mic canic

the squealing you hear could be from the metallic in the new pads. a bigger
chunk than should be there causing the squeal, that happens with less cost
pads
did you clean off the rust and lube the caliper slides??? was there dents
were the pads contact the slides? with out lube the pads can get stuck in
those grooves and the caliper piston boot does not have enough strength to
pull the pad off the rotor and a squeal will result
hence the goop theory to silence the pads what it does is glue the pads to
the piston so it can be pulled away from the rotor when the piston retracts
bac into the caliper( but others will tell you different) what about the
rear brakes could they be do for replacement ?

Mike Romain wrote:

> There is some goop you buy that goes where the brake piston hits the
> pad. This stuff will stop most squeals. Some pads come with a fiber or
> metal backing pad that is for this too.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Igor wrote:
> >
> > Hey All,
> >
> > About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> > Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> > and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> > 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> > wanted $450.
> >
> > I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> > Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> > hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> > real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> > high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> > annoying.
> >
> > Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> > are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> > it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> > lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Igor.

mic canic

the squealing you hear could be from the metallic in the new pads. a bigger
chunk than should be there causing the squeal, that happens with less cost
pads
did you clean off the rust and lube the caliper slides??? was there dents
were the pads contact the slides? with out lube the pads can get stuck in
those grooves and the caliper piston boot does not have enough strength to
pull the pad off the rotor and a squeal will result
hence the goop theory to silence the pads what it does is glue the pads to
the piston so it can be pulled away from the rotor when the piston retracts
bac into the caliper( but others will tell you different) what about the
rear brakes could they be do for replacement ?

Mike Romain wrote:

> There is some goop you buy that goes where the brake piston hits the
> pad. This stuff will stop most squeals. Some pads come with a fiber or
> metal backing pad that is for this too.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Igor wrote:
> >
> > Hey All,
> >
> > About a year ago I got the famous warped rotors at 14K on my 03 TJ
> > Sport. Even though it was out of warranty, the dealer replaced pads
> > and rotors. Recently, to no ones' surprise, it happened again (another
> > 14K miles later.) This time the dealer refused to fix it for free and
> > wanted $450.
> >
> > I did the research on this group (special thank you to Jerry
> > Bradsford), got the new rotors and pads and did it myself in under 2
> > hours. Well, the breaks worked great, no more pulsating and stopping
> > real well, but after about 20 miles they started producing very
> > high-pitched squeal when applying medium brake pressure. It's just
> > annoying.
> >
> > Did I do something wrong? The rotors are Wagner Heavy Duty and pads
> > are semi-metallic (I forget the brand already, but I can find out if
> > it's important)Plus, I bought a torque wrench and tightened all
> > lugnuts to 95 ft/lbs.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Igor.