Lon Stowell

Approximately 11/18/03 14:36, Tomes uttered for posterity:

> Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was seeking.
> Much appreciated.
>
> Folks,
> I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I was
> a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the case,
> having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't worry, I
> am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price for my
> needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to go
> see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.

Check to see if you have a Discount Tire/America's Tire in your area.
They have a $50 rebate on Michelins right now, which would be enough
to get me to choose them over the Pirelli. In most areas, you get
new free valve stems, and at least at the local shop, they always
use torque wrenches on all vehicles, and oddly enough even knew the
Jeep spec.

If you do go offroad in slick stuff, the AT in the Pirelli or Michelin
may be more to your liking with very little additional noise. The
Pirelli still flat spots the belts when cold, but has the toughest
sidewalls of the bunch. I really can't tell the difference in driving
for the M+S and the AT Michelin on my missus and a friend's ZJ. Only
reason I picked up the M+S was that Americas Tire had the heavy load
range ones available for under $90 each for a set of 4 on sale at
the time. They're ok, and good enough for Sierra snow but I ain't
stupid enough to head for a bog with essentially street tires.
Great in the rains here tho...particularly on the crappy excuses
for Kalifornia highways.



--
My governor can kick your governor's ***

Tomes

Oh, THAT's why I have been missing them! Thanks for the clarification.
Now I see them. Better get the BFGs after all....lol
Tomes

"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Kxub.1052$s42.406666298@newssvr11.news.prodi gy.com...
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)
>
> Tomes wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
> > when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
> > challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
> > Much appreciated,
> > Tomes
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> >
> >> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> >>they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Tomes wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi folks,
> >>>I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
> >
> > time
> >
> >>>to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
> >
> > real
> >
> >>>good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A
KO
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
> >
> > can
> >
> >>>also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
> >
> > all on
> >
> >>>the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
> >
> > slick
> >
> >>>on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is
a
> >>>couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> >>>tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> >>>however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> >>>occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that
makes
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to
be
> >>>choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
> >
> > bad
> >
> >>>experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >>>
> >>>Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> >>>follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> >>>Treadwear 6 - 9
> >>>Wet 7 - 7
> >>>Quiet 7 - 8
> >>>Handling 6 - 7
> >>>Winter 9 - 8
> >>>Mud 9 - 7
> >>>
> >>>It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
> >
> > quieter
> >
> >>>better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> >>>Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> >>>normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are
the
> >>>holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire
away,
> >>>thanks.
> >>>
> >>>Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about
the
> >>>gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
> >
> > link
> >
> >>>from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
> >
> > tire.
> >
> >>>Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
> >
> > one,
> >
> >>>considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
> >
> > cars
> >
> >>>have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
> >
> > until I
> >
> >>>get the blown one fixed?
> >>>
> >>>Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> >>>imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue
and
> >>>might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
> >
> > so?
> >
> >>>I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >>>
> >>>If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> >>>about that too, thanks.
> >>>Best regards, folks,
> >>>Tomes
> >>>'02 TJ Sport
> >>>Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Tomes

Oh, THAT's why I have been missing them! Thanks for the clarification.
Now I see them. Better get the BFGs after all....lol
Tomes

"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Kxub.1052$s42.406666298@newssvr11.news.prodi gy.com...
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)
>
> Tomes wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
> > when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
> > challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
> > Much appreciated,
> > Tomes
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> >
> >> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> >>they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Tomes wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi folks,
> >>>I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
> >
> > time
> >
> >>>to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
> >
> > real
> >
> >>>good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A
KO
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
> >
> > can
> >
> >>>also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
> >
> > all on
> >
> >>>the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
> >
> > slick
> >
> >>>on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is
a
> >>>couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> >>>tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> >>>however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> >>>occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that
makes
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to
be
> >>>choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
> >
> > bad
> >
> >>>experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >>>
> >>>Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> >>>follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> >>>Treadwear 6 - 9
> >>>Wet 7 - 7
> >>>Quiet 7 - 8
> >>>Handling 6 - 7
> >>>Winter 9 - 8
> >>>Mud 9 - 7
> >>>
> >>>It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
> >
> > quieter
> >
> >>>better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> >>>Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> >>>normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are
the
> >>>holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire
away,
> >>>thanks.
> >>>
> >>>Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about
the
> >>>gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
> >
> > link
> >
> >>>from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
> >
> > tire.
> >
> >>>Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
> >
> > one,
> >
> >>>considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
> >
> > cars
> >
> >>>have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
> >
> > until I
> >
> >>>get the blown one fixed?
> >>>
> >>>Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> >>>imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue
and
> >>>might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
> >
> > so?
> >
> >>>I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >>>
> >>>If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> >>>about that too, thanks.
> >>>Best regards, folks,
> >>>Tomes
> >>>'02 TJ Sport
> >>>Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Tomes

Oh, THAT's why I have been missing them! Thanks for the clarification.
Now I see them. Better get the BFGs after all....lol
Tomes

"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:0Kxub.1052$s42.406666298@newssvr11.news.prodi gy.com...
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)
>
> Tomes wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
> > when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
> > challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
> > Much appreciated,
> > Tomes
> >
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> >
> >> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> >>they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Tomes wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi folks,
> >>>I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
> >
> > time
> >
> >>>to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
> >
> > real
> >
> >>>good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A
KO
> >
> > at
> >
> >>>BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
> >
> > can
> >
> >>>also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
> >
> > all on
> >
> >>>the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
> >
> > slick
> >
> >>>on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is
a
> >>>couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> >>>tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> >>>however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> >>>occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that
makes
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to
be
> >>>choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
> >
> > for
> >
> >>>me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
> >
> > bad
> >
> >>>experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >>>
> >>>Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> >>>follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> >>>Treadwear 6 - 9
> >>>Wet 7 - 7
> >>>Quiet 7 - 8
> >>>Handling 6 - 7
> >>>Winter 9 - 8
> >>>Mud 9 - 7
> >>>
> >>>It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
> >
> > quieter
> >
> >>>better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> >>>Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> >>>normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are
the
> >>>holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire
away,
> >>>thanks.
> >>>
> >>>Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
> >
> > on
> >
> >>>the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about
the
> >>>gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
> >
> > link
> >
> >>>from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
> >
> > tire.
> >
> >>>Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
> >
> > one,
> >
> >>>considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
> >
> > cars
> >
> >>>have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
> >
> > until I
> >
> >>>get the blown one fixed?
> >>>
> >>>Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> >>>imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue
and
> >>>might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
> >
> > so?
> >
> >>>I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >>>
> >>>If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> >>>about that too, thanks.
> >>>Best regards, folks,
> >>>Tomes
> >>>'02 TJ Sport
> >>>Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Tomes

Ya know, I was just going out the door to buy the 31X10.5's at BJ's and
thought, let me check the group again. Glad I did, with your post Lon, and
Mike's below. Now I am going to call up the DT/AT place near me tomorrow
and talk to them about all this. I still have until Friday if I want to get
the ones at BJ's. Thanks much Lon!
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:IRzub.182727$275.589101@attbi_s53...
> Approximately 11/18/03 14:36, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was
seeking.
> > Much appreciated.
> >
> > Folks,
> > I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I
was
> > a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the
case,
> > having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't
worry, I
> > am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price
for my
> > needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to
go
> > see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.
>
> Check to see if you have a Discount Tire/America's Tire in your area.
> They have a $50 rebate on Michelins right now, which would be enough
> to get me to choose them over the Pirelli. In most areas, you get
> new free valve stems, and at least at the local shop, they always
> use torque wrenches on all vehicles, and oddly enough even knew the
> Jeep spec.
>
> If you do go offroad in slick stuff, the AT in the Pirelli or Michelin
> may be more to your liking with very little additional noise. The
> Pirelli still flat spots the belts when cold, but has the toughest
> sidewalls of the bunch. I really can't tell the difference in driving
> for the M+S and the AT Michelin on my missus and a friend's ZJ. Only
> reason I picked up the M+S was that Americas Tire had the heavy load
> range ones available for under $90 each for a set of 4 on sale at
> the time. They're ok, and good enough for Sierra snow but I ain't
> stupid enough to head for a bog with essentially street tires.
> Great in the rains here tho...particularly on the crappy excuses
> for Kalifornia highways.
>
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

Tomes

Ya know, I was just going out the door to buy the 31X10.5's at BJ's and
thought, let me check the group again. Glad I did, with your post Lon, and
Mike's below. Now I am going to call up the DT/AT place near me tomorrow
and talk to them about all this. I still have until Friday if I want to get
the ones at BJ's. Thanks much Lon!
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:IRzub.182727$275.589101@attbi_s53...
> Approximately 11/18/03 14:36, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was
seeking.
> > Much appreciated.
> >
> > Folks,
> > I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I
was
> > a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the
case,
> > having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't
worry, I
> > am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price
for my
> > needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to
go
> > see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.
>
> Check to see if you have a Discount Tire/America's Tire in your area.
> They have a $50 rebate on Michelins right now, which would be enough
> to get me to choose them over the Pirelli. In most areas, you get
> new free valve stems, and at least at the local shop, they always
> use torque wrenches on all vehicles, and oddly enough even knew the
> Jeep spec.
>
> If you do go offroad in slick stuff, the AT in the Pirelli or Michelin
> may be more to your liking with very little additional noise. The
> Pirelli still flat spots the belts when cold, but has the toughest
> sidewalls of the bunch. I really can't tell the difference in driving
> for the M+S and the AT Michelin on my missus and a friend's ZJ. Only
> reason I picked up the M+S was that Americas Tire had the heavy load
> range ones available for under $90 each for a set of 4 on sale at
> the time. They're ok, and good enough for Sierra snow but I ain't
> stupid enough to head for a bog with essentially street tires.
> Great in the rains here tho...particularly on the crappy excuses
> for Kalifornia highways.
>
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

Tomes

Ya know, I was just going out the door to buy the 31X10.5's at BJ's and
thought, let me check the group again. Glad I did, with your post Lon, and
Mike's below. Now I am going to call up the DT/AT place near me tomorrow
and talk to them about all this. I still have until Friday if I want to get
the ones at BJ's. Thanks much Lon!
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:IRzub.182727$275.589101@attbi_s53...
> Approximately 11/18/03 14:36, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was
seeking.
> > Much appreciated.
> >
> > Folks,
> > I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I
was
> > a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the
case,
> > having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't
worry, I
> > am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price
for my
> > needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to
go
> > see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.
>
> Check to see if you have a Discount Tire/America's Tire in your area.
> They have a $50 rebate on Michelins right now, which would be enough
> to get me to choose them over the Pirelli. In most areas, you get
> new free valve stems, and at least at the local shop, they always
> use torque wrenches on all vehicles, and oddly enough even knew the
> Jeep spec.
>
> If you do go offroad in slick stuff, the AT in the Pirelli or Michelin
> may be more to your liking with very little additional noise. The
> Pirelli still flat spots the belts when cold, but has the toughest
> sidewalls of the bunch. I really can't tell the difference in driving
> for the M+S and the AT Michelin on my missus and a friend's ZJ. Only
> reason I picked up the M+S was that Americas Tire had the heavy load
> range ones available for under $90 each for a set of 4 on sale at
> the time. They're ok, and good enough for Sierra snow but I ain't
> stupid enough to head for a bog with essentially street tires.
> Great in the rains here tho...particularly on the crappy excuses
> for Kalifornia highways.
>
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

Tomes

OK, now I am paralyzed <grin>. I was going out to get the 31x10.5s until I
read this post here Mike with this sage advice. I guess this is what I was
looking for. Thanks.

See, I was wanting to get the bigger 'look', therefore going to 31s as that
is as big as I can get without a lift. Now I understand about wide=poorer
handling. I did not get the 31x10.5 tonight as a result; I froze. So, how
about 31 with narrower tread? Does this exist? Am I thinking down another
wrong path? I saw that this BJ's store also has 235x75s. I rolled my baby
215, the 235 and the 31 all next to each other there tonight for a looksee
and the 235 is right in between height wise.

So now I'm torn again. I am thinking now that if I can find 31s (for the
look and high feel) in a 9.5 or narrower I might be good? Or do I do the
235x75s and be a little bit sad but have better control? Argh.... I just
want everything. Like, it's just tires, but tires mean everything....
Mentally locked-up Tomes


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBAB399.24C70136@sympatico.ca...
> Whatever tread you go for, I would recommend something in a 225 size for
> your type of driving, same like Bill was figuring I think.
>
> I have BFG AT's on my Cherokee in the 235 size and the tread is too wide
> for really good low traction 'on road' situations. They are 8.5" wide.
> Buggers get up on top and float. They spin way too freaking easy as you
> even noticed on your 215's. I had another set of similar tread P225's
> with a 7.5" wide tread and they were far superior, especially off road.
> They could keep up to my CJ with it's 33x9.5's and 7.5" tread easy. The
> new BFG P235's have to work a lot harder to keep up, but they sure still
> can do the job. Same for on road, they can go anywhere, just a lot
> slower safely than a narrower tire.
>
> I also went from 31x10.5's to the 33x9.5's on my CJ. One was 10" wide,
> the bigger ones are 7.5" on the tread. Radical difference in handling!
> I love it!!!
>
> I used to get off work at 4:00 AM before the plows were out and had a 20
> mile all uphill drive home. I have had lots of opportunity to compare
> tire sizes vs traction on Jeeps on the road and I winter run lots on
> logging trails with some packed by snowmobile. ('dual use in winter'
> trails only)
>
> Those 10.5's on my CJ7 were downright dangerous at anything over 40 mph
> in 6" of snow. The 9.5's can keep up to the transport trucks at 55 to
> 60 mph and still feel strong steering on the road.
>
> You are in the same weight range so the footprint and grab should be
> close to mine.
>
> You also can use a spare that is close to the same size. Not
> recommended for too long in 4x4, but it will still slip as needed in
> snow or dirt to get you home or to a garage.
>
> If you have a locker or limited slip in the rear, you should put the
> spare on front no matter which tire blew.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.

Tomes

OK, now I am paralyzed <grin>. I was going out to get the 31x10.5s until I
read this post here Mike with this sage advice. I guess this is what I was
looking for. Thanks.

See, I was wanting to get the bigger 'look', therefore going to 31s as that
is as big as I can get without a lift. Now I understand about wide=poorer
handling. I did not get the 31x10.5 tonight as a result; I froze. So, how
about 31 with narrower tread? Does this exist? Am I thinking down another
wrong path? I saw that this BJ's store also has 235x75s. I rolled my baby
215, the 235 and the 31 all next to each other there tonight for a looksee
and the 235 is right in between height wise.

So now I'm torn again. I am thinking now that if I can find 31s (for the
look and high feel) in a 9.5 or narrower I might be good? Or do I do the
235x75s and be a little bit sad but have better control? Argh.... I just
want everything. Like, it's just tires, but tires mean everything....
Mentally locked-up Tomes


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBAB399.24C70136@sympatico.ca...
> Whatever tread you go for, I would recommend something in a 225 size for
> your type of driving, same like Bill was figuring I think.
>
> I have BFG AT's on my Cherokee in the 235 size and the tread is too wide
> for really good low traction 'on road' situations. They are 8.5" wide.
> Buggers get up on top and float. They spin way too freaking easy as you
> even noticed on your 215's. I had another set of similar tread P225's
> with a 7.5" wide tread and they were far superior, especially off road.
> They could keep up to my CJ with it's 33x9.5's and 7.5" tread easy. The
> new BFG P235's have to work a lot harder to keep up, but they sure still
> can do the job. Same for on road, they can go anywhere, just a lot
> slower safely than a narrower tire.
>
> I also went from 31x10.5's to the 33x9.5's on my CJ. One was 10" wide,
> the bigger ones are 7.5" on the tread. Radical difference in handling!
> I love it!!!
>
> I used to get off work at 4:00 AM before the plows were out and had a 20
> mile all uphill drive home. I have had lots of opportunity to compare
> tire sizes vs traction on Jeeps on the road and I winter run lots on
> logging trails with some packed by snowmobile. ('dual use in winter'
> trails only)
>
> Those 10.5's on my CJ7 were downright dangerous at anything over 40 mph
> in 6" of snow. The 9.5's can keep up to the transport trucks at 55 to
> 60 mph and still feel strong steering on the road.
>
> You are in the same weight range so the footprint and grab should be
> close to mine.
>
> You also can use a spare that is close to the same size. Not
> recommended for too long in 4x4, but it will still slip as needed in
> snow or dirt to get you home or to a garage.
>
> If you have a locker or limited slip in the rear, you should put the
> spare on front no matter which tire blew.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.

Tomes

OK, now I am paralyzed <grin>. I was going out to get the 31x10.5s until I
read this post here Mike with this sage advice. I guess this is what I was
looking for. Thanks.

See, I was wanting to get the bigger 'look', therefore going to 31s as that
is as big as I can get without a lift. Now I understand about wide=poorer
handling. I did not get the 31x10.5 tonight as a result; I froze. So, how
about 31 with narrower tread? Does this exist? Am I thinking down another
wrong path? I saw that this BJ's store also has 235x75s. I rolled my baby
215, the 235 and the 31 all next to each other there tonight for a looksee
and the 235 is right in between height wise.

So now I'm torn again. I am thinking now that if I can find 31s (for the
look and high feel) in a 9.5 or narrower I might be good? Or do I do the
235x75s and be a little bit sad but have better control? Argh.... I just
want everything. Like, it's just tires, but tires mean everything....
Mentally locked-up Tomes


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FBAB399.24C70136@sympatico.ca...
> Whatever tread you go for, I would recommend something in a 225 size for
> your type of driving, same like Bill was figuring I think.
>
> I have BFG AT's on my Cherokee in the 235 size and the tread is too wide
> for really good low traction 'on road' situations. They are 8.5" wide.
> Buggers get up on top and float. They spin way too freaking easy as you
> even noticed on your 215's. I had another set of similar tread P225's
> with a 7.5" wide tread and they were far superior, especially off road.
> They could keep up to my CJ with it's 33x9.5's and 7.5" tread easy. The
> new BFG P235's have to work a lot harder to keep up, but they sure still
> can do the job. Same for on road, they can go anywhere, just a lot
> slower safely than a narrower tire.
>
> I also went from 31x10.5's to the 33x9.5's on my CJ. One was 10" wide,
> the bigger ones are 7.5" on the tread. Radical difference in handling!
> I love it!!!
>
> I used to get off work at 4:00 AM before the plows were out and had a 20
> mile all uphill drive home. I have had lots of opportunity to compare
> tire sizes vs traction on Jeeps on the road and I winter run lots on
> logging trails with some packed by snowmobile. ('dual use in winter'
> trails only)
>
> Those 10.5's on my CJ7 were downright dangerous at anything over 40 mph
> in 6" of snow. The 9.5's can keep up to the transport trucks at 55 to
> 60 mph and still feel strong steering on the road.
>
> You are in the same weight range so the footprint and grab should be
> close to mine.
>
> You also can use a spare that is close to the same size. Not
> recommended for too long in 4x4, but it will still slip as needed in
> snow or dirt to get you home or to a garage.
>
> If you have a locker or limited slip in the rear, you should put the
> spare on front no matter which tire blew.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.