Tomes

Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
Much appreciated,
Tomes


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.

Tomes

Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
Much appreciated,
Tomes


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.

Tomes

Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
Much appreciated,
Tomes


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
> they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
time
> > to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
a
> > couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
> >
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
all on
> > the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
slick
> > on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
> > couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
> > tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
> > however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
> > occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
it
> > so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
> > choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
for
> > me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
bad
> > experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
> > It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
quieter
> > better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
> > Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
> > normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
> > holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
> > thanks.
> >
> > Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
on
> > the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
> > gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
link
> > from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
tire.
> > Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
one,
> > considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
cars
> > have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
until I
> > get the blown one fixed?
> >
> > Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
> > imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
> > might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
so?
> > I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
> >
> > If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
> > about that too, thanks.
> > Best regards, folks,
> > Tomes
> > '02 TJ Sport
> > Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's the way it is on a ride, girls on the left, men on the
right: http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg

twaldron wrote:
>
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's the way it is on a ride, girls on the left, men on the
right: http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg

twaldron wrote:
>
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That's the way it is on a ride, girls on the left, men on the
right: http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/anza68run.jpg

twaldron wrote:
>
> Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)

Tomes

Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was seeking.
Much appreciated.

Folks,
I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I was
a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the case,
having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't worry, I
am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price for my
needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to go
see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.

Anyone have a thought on the fifth tire portion? Need I buy it? I might go
with trying to find a used spare, but until then....
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:3ywub.177975$mZ5.1257585@attbi_s54...
> Approximately 11/17/03 19:06, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49.
>
> There are 3 models in the Michelin LT X series. All three offer
> the standard Michelin "driving on rails" feeling and none are
> as squirmy feeling as the BFG or Goodyears...nor as capable
> offroad IMNHO. All are very quiet with good treadwear yet
> also good traction, which is rare.
>
> The A/S is what Ford puts on Exploders. Reasonably good all
> season and rain tire. Offroad best kept to taking shortcuts
> across Walmart curbs.
>
> The M+S is quite popular as an all season and still about
> as quiet as the AS. Works surprisingly well in a coupla feet
> of wet Sierra snow, haven't tried them on ice. Can handle
> thin mud and desert goo, but I wouldn't want to risk a long
> walk in serious muck. Available in several load ranges with
> heavier duty sidewalls in the heavy ranges. IMNHO is an
> even better rain tire than the A/S, particularly in gullywashers.
>
> The AT is a bit more butch than the M+S and a good snow tire
> as well as rain. Still quiet, a bit better in mud, but not
> a hardcore jeep tire, more of a working pickup farm or logging
> tread. Heavier sidewalls available in the higher load ranges.
>
> If you see them locally, the Pirelli Scorpion AT is quite similar
> to the Michelin AT with the wrapped steel tread belts and is
> available in the same load ranges. Is also very quiet and with
> the same "on rails" feel of a Michelin on the highway.
>
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8 ? The Michelin AT should be higher here.
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

Tomes

Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was seeking.
Much appreciated.

Folks,
I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I was
a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the case,
having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't worry, I
am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price for my
needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to go
see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.

Anyone have a thought on the fifth tire portion? Need I buy it? I might go
with trying to find a used spare, but until then....
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:3ywub.177975$mZ5.1257585@attbi_s54...
> Approximately 11/17/03 19:06, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49.
>
> There are 3 models in the Michelin LT X series. All three offer
> the standard Michelin "driving on rails" feeling and none are
> as squirmy feeling as the BFG or Goodyears...nor as capable
> offroad IMNHO. All are very quiet with good treadwear yet
> also good traction, which is rare.
>
> The A/S is what Ford puts on Exploders. Reasonably good all
> season and rain tire. Offroad best kept to taking shortcuts
> across Walmart curbs.
>
> The M+S is quite popular as an all season and still about
> as quiet as the AS. Works surprisingly well in a coupla feet
> of wet Sierra snow, haven't tried them on ice. Can handle
> thin mud and desert goo, but I wouldn't want to risk a long
> walk in serious muck. Available in several load ranges with
> heavier duty sidewalls in the heavy ranges. IMNHO is an
> even better rain tire than the A/S, particularly in gullywashers.
>
> The AT is a bit more butch than the M+S and a good snow tire
> as well as rain. Still quiet, a bit better in mud, but not
> a hardcore jeep tire, more of a working pickup farm or logging
> tread. Heavier sidewalls available in the higher load ranges.
>
> If you see them locally, the Pirelli Scorpion AT is quite similar
> to the Michelin AT with the wrapped steel tread belts and is
> available in the same load ranges. Is also very quiet and with
> the same "on rails" feel of a Michelin on the highway.
>
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8 ? The Michelin AT should be higher here.
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

Tomes

Thanks Lon. This is good information along the lines of what I was seeking.
Much appreciated.

Folks,
I also posted this in alt.jeep-l and over there it was perceived that I was
a speed maniac from my post. Just so you folks know that is not the case,
having a YJ before my current TJ, so if you had that thought, don't worry, I
am a safe driver. Just looking for the right tire at the right price for my
needs. It looks like I am leaning towards the Michelin LT, but need to go
see which of the 3 subsets below are being sold on sale at BJ's.

Anyone have a thought on the fifth tire portion? Need I buy it? I might go
with trying to find a used spare, but until then....
Tomes

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:3ywub.177975$mZ5.1257585@attbi_s54...
> Approximately 11/17/03 19:06, Tomes uttered for posterity:
>
> > I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
real
> > good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
at
> > BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
can
> > also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49.
>
> There are 3 models in the Michelin LT X series. All three offer
> the standard Michelin "driving on rails" feeling and none are
> as squirmy feeling as the BFG or Goodyears...nor as capable
> offroad IMNHO. All are very quiet with good treadwear yet
> also good traction, which is rare.
>
> The A/S is what Ford puts on Exploders. Reasonably good all
> season and rain tire. Offroad best kept to taking shortcuts
> across Walmart curbs.
>
> The M+S is quite popular as an all season and still about
> as quiet as the AS. Works surprisingly well in a coupla feet
> of wet Sierra snow, haven't tried them on ice. Can handle
> thin mud and desert goo, but I wouldn't want to risk a long
> walk in serious muck. Available in several load ranges with
> heavier duty sidewalls in the heavy ranges. IMNHO is an
> even better rain tire than the A/S, particularly in gullywashers.
>
> The AT is a bit more butch than the M+S and a good snow tire
> as well as rain. Still quiet, a bit better in mud, but not
> a hardcore jeep tire, more of a working pickup farm or logging
> tread. Heavier sidewalls available in the higher load ranges.
>
> If you see them locally, the Pirelli Scorpion AT is quite similar
> to the Michelin AT with the wrapped steel tread belts and is
> available in the same load ranges. Is also very quiet and with
> the same "on rails" feel of a Michelin on the highway.
>
> >
> > Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
> > follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
> > Treadwear 6 - 9
> > Wet 7 - 7
> > Quiet 7 - 8
> > Handling 6 - 7
> > Winter 9 - 8 ? The Michelin AT should be higher here.
> > Mud 9 - 7
> >
>
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ***
>

twaldron

Yes, Tomes, but all the difficult trails are on the right. :)

Tomes wrote:

> Thanks Bill, that is a good perception, although I did just a little bit
> when I mentioned the 'left turn' down some local 'trails'. Not any real
> challenge though. And that's about my percentage too.
> Much appreciated,
> Tomes
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FB98726.9D30212A@***.net...
>
>> You didn't mention offroad once, stick with street sized Michelins,
>>they're made by the same manufacturer that make BF Goodrich.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Tomes wrote:
>>
>>>Hi folks,
>>>I have finally worn out the original baby tires on my '02 TJ and it is
>
> time
>
>>>to move to bigger tires. I would like to run my reasonings by you with
>
> a
>
>>>couple of questions if I may. Thanks.
>>>
>>>I know the general consensus of the group is that the BFG AT KO is a
>
> real
>
>>>good bet and that is one of my choices. I can get BFG All Terrain T/A KO
>
> at
>
>>>BJ's club for US$122.99. With a coupon that runs through this Friday I
>
> can
>
>>>also get Michelin X Radial LT there for 125.49. My driving is almost
>
> all on
>
>>>the road, often at high speeds and in slippery conditions (wet can get
>
> slick
>
>>>on my local roads - I drive extra carefully when wet as I have lost is a
>>>couple of times when I did not expect it to on my original Wrangler RTS
>>>tires I have on now - a feeling I would like to get away from). I do,
>>>however, have a tendency to make a quick left turn when I see that
>>>occasional trail and like to have that muddy look and the fun that makes
>
> it
>
>>>so. I know I don't need mud tires though, not even close. I seem to be
>>>choosing between these two tires as the price is surprisingly the same
>
> for
>
>>>me. There are also Dunlop somethings available cheaper, but I have had
>
> bad
>
>>>experiences with Dunlops so they are not on my radar.
>>>
>>>Now, I have compared the various ratings for performance attributes as
>>>follows, with the BFG number first and the Michelin number second:
>>>Treadwear 6 - 9
>>>Wet 7 - 7
>>>Quiet 7 - 8
>>>Handling 6 - 7
>>>Winter 9 - 8
>>>Mud 9 - 7
>>>
>>>It looks to me that with the Michelin I would have a longer lasting
>
> quieter
>
>>>better handling ride at the expense of snow and mud performance. The
>>>Michelin tread is more 'road', less knobby than the BFG. For what I
>>>normally do it seems to be my choice here. My question is: what are the
>>>holes in my thought process, what am I missing? Feel free to fire away,
>>>thanks.
>>>
>>>Second question: I am going from my baby size 215/75/15 to 31/10.5/15
>
> on
>
>>>the stock rims. I just want to do this because I can. I know about the
>>>gear thingy to make the speedometer and plan to do that (thanks to the
>
> link
>
>>>from Jerry). No problem there. What I want to ask is about the spare
>
> tire.
>
>>>Do I need to buy a fifth tire or can I get away with keeping my small
>
> one,
>
>>>considering it to be like one of those space saver tires that normal
>
> cars
>
>>>have? If I ever need to use it, will it be a problem in normal 2WD
>
> until I
>
>>>get the blown one fixed?
>>>
>>>Another perceived observation: since the Michelins are less knobby, I
>>>imagine that I might have less problem with the turning radius issue and
>>>might not need to add that washer on the steering stops. Might this be
>
> so?
>
>>>I am prepared to add the washer, just curious.
>>>
>>>If there is anything else I ought to be considering, please let me know
>>>about that too, thanks.
>>>Best regards, folks,
>>>Tomes
>>>'02 TJ Sport
>>>Former owner of an '87 YJ being _totally_ rebuilt by a friend.
>
>
>

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