Good points Mike, but most people don't have a charging station, or even a
vacuum pump and a set of gauges. Now you can replace the evaporator
yourself, and take it to an AC service center to have the system charged,
but I don't know how they would like taking on this job halfway through.

I have to laugh at Bill's picture, when I think about the labor to replace
the evaporator in my Honda Civic. Maybe half an hour, not including the
time to evacuate and charge the system.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:447D9E10.A9E82666@sympatico.ca...
> I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> the only part you can't get to??????
>
> I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
>
> 'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
>
> I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
>
> And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> HG97TJ wrote:
> >
> > Klif,
> >
> > I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> > at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> > see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> > fixed.
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > Klif wrote:
> > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to
do
> > > this
> > > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> > > >
> > > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts
store,
> > > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job
right.
> > > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in
order
> > > to
> > > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless
the
> > > system
> > > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink,
nudge,
> > > > nudge.)
> > > >
> > > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth
the
> > > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> > > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> > > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> > > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> > > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the
windows
> > > > but
> > > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> > > driving
> > > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job
interview and
> > > > not
> > > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > Klif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
***
> > >
> > > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> > > Klif



--
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Good points Mike, but most people don't have a charging station, or even a
vacuum pump and a set of gauges. Now you can replace the evaporator
yourself, and take it to an AC service center to have the system charged,
but I don't know how they would like taking on this job halfway through.

I have to laugh at Bill's picture, when I think about the labor to replace
the evaporator in my Honda Civic. Maybe half an hour, not including the
time to evacuate and charge the system.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:447D9E10.A9E82666@sympatico.ca...
> I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> the only part you can't get to??????
>
> I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
>
> 'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
>
> I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
>
> And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> HG97TJ wrote:
> >
> > Klif,
> >
> > I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> > at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> > see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> > fixed.
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > Klif wrote:
> > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to
do
> > > this
> > > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> > > >
> > > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts
store,
> > > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job
right.
> > > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in
order
> > > to
> > > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless
the
> > > system
> > > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink,
nudge,
> > > > nudge.)
> > > >
> > > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth
the
> > > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> > > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> > > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> > > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> > > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the
windows
> > > > but
> > > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> > > driving
> > > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job
interview and
> > > > not
> > > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > Klif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
***
> > >
> > > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> > > Klif



--
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On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:45:52 -0400, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>:

>I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
>the only part you can't get to??????

For a while CC had a problem with shoddy evap coils; they
tended to develop holes after a couple of years. My wife's
'93 Concorde went through 4 in 8 years (paid for by CC,
since they acknowledged the problem). I don't know if they
had the same problem across all lines, but it's certainly
possible.

>I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
>
>'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
>usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
>area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
>
>I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
>to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
>thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
>
>And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
>find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.

In the XJ it starts out with "Remove the dash" (I don't
recall if this also requires removing the steering assembly,
which gets into airbag/clockspring issues, and my manual is
packed away, and I don't know if the TJ has the same
requirements), since apparently no one seems to have gotten
the brilliant idea of putting it in a housing *ahead* of the
firewall for easy access. Not really complicated, but a good
6-8 hours for a decent mechanic.

>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>HG97TJ wrote:
>>
>> Klif,
>>
>> I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
>> at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
>> see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
>> fixed.
>>
>> Howie
>>
>> Klif wrote:
>> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to do
>> > this
>> > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
>> > >
>> > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts store,
>> > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job right.
>> > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in order
>> > to
>> > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless the
>> > system
>> > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink, nudge,
>> > > nudge.)
>> > >
>> > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth the
>> > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
>> > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
>> > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
>> > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
>> > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the windows
>> > > but
>> > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
>> > driving
>> > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job interview and
>> > > not
>> > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
>> > > > TIA
>> > > > Klif
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>> >
>> > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
>> > Klif
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

 

On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:45:52 -0400, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>:

>I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
>the only part you can't get to??????

For a while CC had a problem with shoddy evap coils; they
tended to develop holes after a couple of years. My wife's
'93 Concorde went through 4 in 8 years (paid for by CC,
since they acknowledged the problem). I don't know if they
had the same problem across all lines, but it's certainly
possible.

>I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
>
>'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
>usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
>area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
>
>I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
>to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
>thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
>
>And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
>find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.

In the XJ it starts out with "Remove the dash" (I don't
recall if this also requires removing the steering assembly,
which gets into airbag/clockspring issues, and my manual is
packed away, and I don't know if the TJ has the same
requirements), since apparently no one seems to have gotten
the brilliant idea of putting it in a housing *ahead* of the
firewall for easy access. Not really complicated, but a good
6-8 hours for a decent mechanic.

>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>HG97TJ wrote:
>>
>> Klif,
>>
>> I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
>> at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
>> see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
>> fixed.
>>
>> Howie
>>
>> Klif wrote:
>> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to do
>> > this
>> > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
>> > >
>> > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts store,
>> > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job right.
>> > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in order
>> > to
>> > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless the
>> > system
>> > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink, nudge,
>> > > nudge.)
>> > >
>> > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth the
>> > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
>> > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
>> > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
>> > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
>> > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the windows
>> > > but
>> > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
>> > driving
>> > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job interview and
>> > > not
>> > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
>> > > > TIA
>> > > > Klif
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>> >
>> > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
>> > Klif
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

 

On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:45:52 -0400, the following appeared
in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Mike Romain
<romainm@sympatico.ca>:

>I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
>the only part you can't get to??????

For a while CC had a problem with shoddy evap coils; they
tended to develop holes after a couple of years. My wife's
'93 Concorde went through 4 in 8 years (paid for by CC,
since they acknowledged the problem). I don't know if they
had the same problem across all lines, but it's certainly
possible.

>I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
>
>'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
>usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
>area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
>
>I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
>to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
>thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
>
>And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
>find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.

In the XJ it starts out with "Remove the dash" (I don't
recall if this also requires removing the steering assembly,
which gets into airbag/clockspring issues, and my manual is
packed away, and I don't know if the TJ has the same
requirements), since apparently no one seems to have gotten
the brilliant idea of putting it in a housing *ahead* of the
firewall for easy access. Not really complicated, but a good
6-8 hours for a decent mechanic.

>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>HG97TJ wrote:
>>
>> Klif,
>>
>> I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
>> at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
>> see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
>> fixed.
>>
>> Howie
>>
>> Klif wrote:
>> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to do
>> > this
>> > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
>> > >
>> > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts store,
>> > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job right.
>> > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in order
>> > to
>> > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless the
>> > system
>> > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink, nudge,
>> > > nudge.)
>> > >
>> > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth the
>> > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
>> > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
>> > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
>> > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
>> > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the windows
>> > > but
>> > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
>> > driving
>> > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job interview and
>> > > not
>> > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
>> > > > TIA
>> > > > Klif
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
>> >
>> > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
>> > Klif
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

 

If the AC place didn't want my money to charge it up, I would find one
that did. It isn't really any of their business 'why' I want my empty
system filled up.

There wouldn't be much 'evacuating' to do I wouldn't think after a major
component change....

I have been on the removing end of a few dashes for heater cores,
etc.... Bill's photo says it all....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Good points Mike, but most people don't have a charging station, or even a
> vacuum pump and a set of gauges. Now you can replace the evaporator
> yourself, and take it to an AC service center to have the system charged,
> but I don't know how they would like taking on this job halfway through.
>
> I have to laugh at Bill's picture, when I think about the labor to replace
> the evaporator in my Honda Civic. Maybe half an hour, not including the
> time to evacuate and charge the system.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:447D9E10.A9E82666@sympatico.ca...
> > I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> > the only part you can't get to??????
> >
> > I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
> >
> > 'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> > usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> > area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
> >
> > I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> > to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> > thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
> >
> > And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> > find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > HG97TJ wrote:
> > >
> > > Klif,
> > >
> > > I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> > > at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> > > see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> > > fixed.
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > Klif wrote:
> > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to
> do
> > > > this
> > > > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> > > > >
> > > > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts
> store,
> > > > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job
> right.
> > > > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in
> order
> > > > to
> > > > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless
> the
> > > > system
> > > > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink,
> nudge,
> > > > > nudge.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth
> the
> > > > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> > > > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> > > > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> > > > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> > > > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the
> windows
> > > > > but
> > > > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> > > > driving
> > > > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job
> interview and
> > > > > not
> > > > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > Klif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> ***
> > > >
> > > > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> > > > Klif
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

 

If the AC place didn't want my money to charge it up, I would find one
that did. It isn't really any of their business 'why' I want my empty
system filled up.

There wouldn't be much 'evacuating' to do I wouldn't think after a major
component change....

I have been on the removing end of a few dashes for heater cores,
etc.... Bill's photo says it all....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Good points Mike, but most people don't have a charging station, or even a
> vacuum pump and a set of gauges. Now you can replace the evaporator
> yourself, and take it to an AC service center to have the system charged,
> but I don't know how they would like taking on this job halfway through.
>
> I have to laugh at Bill's picture, when I think about the labor to replace
> the evaporator in my Honda Civic. Maybe half an hour, not including the
> time to evacuate and charge the system.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:447D9E10.A9E82666@sympatico.ca...
> > I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> > the only part you can't get to??????
> >
> > I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
> >
> > 'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> > usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> > area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
> >
> > I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> > to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> > thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
> >
> > And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> > find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > HG97TJ wrote:
> > >
> > > Klif,
> > >
> > > I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> > > at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> > > see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> > > fixed.
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > Klif wrote:
> > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to
> do
> > > > this
> > > > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> > > > >
> > > > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts
> store,
> > > > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job
> right.
> > > > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in
> order
> > > > to
> > > > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless
> the
> > > > system
> > > > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink,
> nudge,
> > > > > nudge.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth
> the
> > > > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> > > > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> > > > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> > > > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> > > > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the
> windows
> > > > > but
> > > > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> > > > driving
> > > > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job
> interview and
> > > > > not
> > > > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > Klif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> ***
> > > >
> > > > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> > > > Klif
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

 

If the AC place didn't want my money to charge it up, I would find one
that did. It isn't really any of their business 'why' I want my empty
system filled up.

There wouldn't be much 'evacuating' to do I wouldn't think after a major
component change....

I have been on the removing end of a few dashes for heater cores,
etc.... Bill's photo says it all....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Good points Mike, but most people don't have a charging station, or even a
> vacuum pump and a set of gauges. Now you can replace the evaporator
> yourself, and take it to an AC service center to have the system charged,
> but I don't know how they would like taking on this job halfway through.
>
> I have to laugh at Bill's picture, when I think about the labor to replace
> the evaporator in my Honda Civic. Maybe half an hour, not including the
> time to evacuate and charge the system.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:447D9E10.A9E82666@sympatico.ca...
> > I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> > the only part you can't get to??????
> >
> > I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
> >
> > 'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> > usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> > area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
> >
> > I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> > to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> > thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
> >
> > And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> > find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > HG97TJ wrote:
> > >
> > > Klif,
> > >
> > > I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> > > at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> > > see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> > > fixed.
> > >
> > > Howie
> > >
> > > Klif wrote:
> > > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> > > > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to
> do
> > > > this
> > > > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> > > > >
> > > > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts
> store,
> > > > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job
> right.
> > > > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in
> order
> > > > to
> > > > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless
> the
> > > > system
> > > > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink,
> nudge,
> > > > > nudge.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth
> the
> > > > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle
> > > > >
> > > > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> > > > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> > > > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> > > > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> > > > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the
> windows
> > > > > but
> > > > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> > > > driving
> > > > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job
> interview and
> > > > > not
> > > > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > Klif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> ***
> > > >
> > > > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> > > > Klif
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

 

On most, you just have to drop the steering column loose from the dash.
It drops a bit and then the dash move enough to get behind it.

If they have known since 93 their supplier is crap, well, a 'normal'
person would change suppliers....

BUT wait, they can 'sucker' thousands of people to pay out a grand each
to get it fixed, I guess that is good enough reason to stay with the
same supplier eh?

Mike

Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:45:52 -0400, the following appeared
> in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca>:
>
> >I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> >the only part you can't get to??????
>
> For a while CC had a problem with shoddy evap coils; they
> tended to develop holes after a couple of years. My wife's
> '93 Concorde went through 4 in 8 years (paid for by CC,
> since they acknowledged the problem). I don't know if they
> had the same problem across all lines, but it's certainly
> possible.
>
> >I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
> >
> >'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> >usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> >area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
> >
> >I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> >to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> >thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
> >
> >And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> >find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
>
> In the XJ it starts out with "Remove the dash" (I don't
> recall if this also requires removing the steering assembly,
> which gets into airbag/clockspring issues, and my manual is
> packed away, and I don't know if the TJ has the same
> requirements), since apparently no one seems to have gotten
> the brilliant idea of putting it in a housing *ahead* of the
> firewall for easy access. Not really complicated, but a good
> 6-8 hours for a decent mechanic.
>
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> >HG97TJ wrote:
> >>
> >> Klif,
> >>
> >> I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> >> at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> >> see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> >> fixed.
> >>
> >> Howie
> >>
> >> Klif wrote:
> >> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> >> > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to do
> >> > this
> >> > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> >> > >
> >> > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts store,
> >> > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job right.
> >> > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in order
> >> > to
> >> > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless the
> >> > system
> >> > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink, nudge,
> >> > > nudge.)
> >> > >
> >> > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth the
> >> > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> >> > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> >> > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> >> > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> >> > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the windows
> >> > > but
> >> > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> >> > driving
> >> > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job interview and
> >> > > not
> >> > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> >> > > > TIA
> >> > > > Klif
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
> >> >
> >> > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> >> > Klif
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> - McNameless

 

On most, you just have to drop the steering column loose from the dash.
It drops a bit and then the dash move enough to get behind it.

If they have known since 93 their supplier is crap, well, a 'normal'
person would change suppliers....

BUT wait, they can 'sucker' thousands of people to pay out a grand each
to get it fixed, I guess that is good enough reason to stay with the
same supplier eh?

Mike

Bob Casanova wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 09:45:52 -0400, the following appeared
> in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******, posted by Mike Romain
> <romainm@sympatico.ca>:
>
> >I am 'really' curious about something. How can all these 'leaks' be on
> >the only part you can't get to??????
>
> For a while CC had a problem with shoddy evap coils; they
> tended to develop holes after a couple of years. My wife's
> '93 Concorde went through 4 in 8 years (paid for by CC,
> since they acknowledged the problem). I don't know if they
> had the same problem across all lines, but it's certainly
> possible.
>
> >I mean who diagnosed it and how was it diagnosed?
> >
> >'Normally' leaks happen at fittings. Fittings on parts that move are
> >usually the first suspect, which means parts vibrating around the engine
> >area. Nothing moves under the dash.....
> >
> >I would 'sure' want to see proof before I forked out $500.00 to $1000.00
> >to a "$tealership" of all people. Yes, I have run into 'WAY' more
> >thieves at $tealerships than honest people by far. Way more.....
> >
> >And for that kind of money, I would gladly read the repair manual to
> >find out how to do it. It isn't hard, just labor intensive.
>
> In the XJ it starts out with "Remove the dash" (I don't
> recall if this also requires removing the steering assembly,
> which gets into airbag/clockspring issues, and my manual is
> packed away, and I don't know if the TJ has the same
> requirements), since apparently no one seems to have gotten
> the brilliant idea of putting it in a housing *ahead* of the
> firewall for easy access. Not really complicated, but a good
> 6-8 hours for a decent mechanic.
>
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> >HG97TJ wrote:
> >>
> >> Klif,
> >>
> >> I have the same AC leak (evaporator) in my 97 TJ Sport and was qouted
> >> at around $550-$600 for the repair which I have not done yet. We'll
> >> see how long I can survive the PA summer without AC before I get it
> >> fixed.
> >>
> >> Howie
> >>
> >> Klif wrote:
> >> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:447cd76b$0$24268$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> >> > > Get another estimate. You do not really have to be EPA certified to do
> >> > this
> >> > > job, but you should have a clue. ;^)
> >> > >
> >> > > You can buy R134a and hoses to charge your system at any auto parts store,
> >> > > but you really, really need a vacuum pump and a scale to do the job right.
> >> > > R134a systems want to have the correct quantity of refrigerant, in order
> >> > to
> >> > > work properly. Charging station? Theoretically required, unless the
> >> > system
> >> > > had already leaked down before you initiated repairs. (Wink, wink, nudge,
> >> > > nudge.)
> >> > >
> >> > > Good place to start, www.acsource.com. For one job, it is not worth the
> >> > > cost of the tools and supplies. I had two jobs to do.
> >> > >
> >> > > Earle
> >> > >
> >> > > "Klif" <ckbiker@hotmail.comPOSER> wrote in message
> >> > > news:qh0fg.11888$U_2.1871@trnddc05...
> >> > > > How difficult is this to replace. The OE one leaks.
> >> > > > I have moderate wrench skills.
> >> > > > The stealer wants over $1000.00.....I usually just roll down the windows
> >> > > but
> >> > > > sometimes the AC would be nice, especially when I'm all suited up
> >> > driving
> >> > > > downtown on a sweltering summers afternoon going to a job interview and
> >> > > not
> >> > > > look like a sweat hog in heat. '97 TJ Sahara
> >> > > > TIA
> >> > > > Klif
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
> >> >
> >> > Thx for the USEFUL info Earle.
> >> > Klif
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> - McNameless