Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 wrote:
>
> Outatime wrote:
> >
> > For some reason, I didn't find the LTX on tirerack.com either. They do
> > appear on Costco's site, but you have to dig deep to find it. I bought
> > the M/S's, as I spend a lot of time on pavement, and they work extremely
> > well.
> >
> > It's your call on the size difference. I also replaced the spare, even
> > though both were the same size. I figure that the spare should be of at
> > least the same quality as the rest in case I need to drive a long way on
> > it. I justified the extra cost by doing 5-wheel rotations, which makes
> > everything last longer. When I replace next time, I'll leave one worn
> > (yet servicible) tire on as the spare.
> >
> > It's your call on the odd-sized spare dilemma. I wouldn't do it. You
> > can't use PT 4WD with odd-sized tires or you will destroy the transfer
> > case. It will cause the axle clutch packs on limited-slip axles to
> > overheat and wear quickly. The vehicle will handle badly. There are no
> > positives to keeping an odd-sized spare other than money, and that's not
> > good enough in my book. Justify the extra cost by doing 5-wheel tire
> > rotations.
>
> 5-wheel tire rotations, as in rotating the spare in every rotation?
> Interesting...

If you check your owners manual it says how to do a 5 tire rotation. My
Cherokee and my CJ manual both say to put the spare on the highest wear
tire, the right rear, then take the right rear and move it to the right
front with the right front going to the spare. The left tires just swap
places.

This makes for even wear because the right rear is the main drive tire
so it wears the fastest and the three tires on the high wear side should
wear out the same time as the other two.

Mike
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Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 wrote:

> 5-wheel tire rotations, as in rotating the spare in every rotation?
> Interesting...

You've never done this before? You'll get an extra 10-15k out of a set
of tires easily if you do this. Generally, you rotate the spare to the
RR, the RR goes to the RF, and the RF ends up a spare. The LR and LF
swap places each time as well. This compensates for road grade wear on
the right side of the vehicle.

This assumes you buy 5 new tires. If you're using an old, worn-out
spare, it isn't a very good idea. As spare tires degrade whether used
or not, I think it's a wise idea to include it in my rotation schedule.

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 wrote:

> 5-wheel tire rotations, as in rotating the spare in every rotation?
> Interesting...

You've never done this before? You'll get an extra 10-15k out of a set
of tires easily if you do this. Generally, you rotate the spare to the
RR, the RR goes to the RF, and the RF ends up a spare. The LR and LF
swap places each time as well. This compensates for road grade wear on
the right side of the vehicle.

This assumes you buy 5 new tires. If you're using an old, worn-out
spare, it isn't a very good idea. As spare tires degrade whether used
or not, I think it's a wise idea to include it in my rotation schedule.

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 wrote:

> 5-wheel tire rotations, as in rotating the spare in every rotation?
> Interesting...

You've never done this before? You'll get an extra 10-15k out of a set
of tires easily if you do this. Generally, you rotate the spare to the
RR, the RR goes to the RF, and the RF ends up a spare. The LR and LF
swap places each time as well. This compensates for road grade wear on
the right side of the vehicle.

This assumes you buy 5 new tires. If you're using an old, worn-out
spare, it isn't a very good idea. As spare tires degrade whether used
or not, I think it's a wise idea to include it in my rotation schedule.

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

The Michelin is cheaper than that BF Goodrich.
I paid 104 apiece for mine at Discount Tire, mounted a few years ago.
Your size is if memory serves somewhere in the 235x16 which is a bit
more. e.g. at Tire Rack, the 235-70/16 is about $135 apiece. They tend
to get very old before they ever wear out and drastically improve the
highway manners of a Grand Cherokee. Very good on heavy rain,
moderately heavy snow, light mud, moderate offroad where the trail
surface is reasonably hard and not steep slickrock. Excellent highway
manners.


Michael Rosen proclaimed:

> I believe the Michelins are pretty expensive? I'm trying to find a
> good quality tire but at an affordable price. I was referred to a tire
> shop who will allow me to drop ship tires to him and he will only
> charge me $10 per tire to mount and balance them.
>
> I think I'm now deciding between the BFGoodrich Radial Long Trail T/A
> and Firestone Destination LE. Tirerack.com has them for $87 and $81,
> respectively. I can get the BFGoodrich at the local shop for $106
> installed and the Firestone for $86. Depending on which tire I go
> with, factoring in shipping one of them would end up cheaper buying
> locally.
>
> The Firestone seems to have good reviews and slightly better ratings.
> What is the general consensus?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Michael Rosen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, the consensus is that the Wrangler ST is a poor quality tire?
>>>Costco has BF Goodrich for $135.99. NTB has the Wrangler ST for about
>>>the same price.
>>
>>Anything 'Goodyear' is junk in my opinion. The guys who did my tires at
>>Costco affirm this. While you're over there, check out Michelin LTX
>>series instead - best tire I've ever put on a mostly-street-driven 4X4.
>
>

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

The Michelin is cheaper than that BF Goodrich.
I paid 104 apiece for mine at Discount Tire, mounted a few years ago.
Your size is if memory serves somewhere in the 235x16 which is a bit
more. e.g. at Tire Rack, the 235-70/16 is about $135 apiece. They tend
to get very old before they ever wear out and drastically improve the
highway manners of a Grand Cherokee. Very good on heavy rain,
moderately heavy snow, light mud, moderate offroad where the trail
surface is reasonably hard and not steep slickrock. Excellent highway
manners.


Michael Rosen proclaimed:

> I believe the Michelins are pretty expensive? I'm trying to find a
> good quality tire but at an affordable price. I was referred to a tire
> shop who will allow me to drop ship tires to him and he will only
> charge me $10 per tire to mount and balance them.
>
> I think I'm now deciding between the BFGoodrich Radial Long Trail T/A
> and Firestone Destination LE. Tirerack.com has them for $87 and $81,
> respectively. I can get the BFGoodrich at the local shop for $106
> installed and the Firestone for $86. Depending on which tire I go
> with, factoring in shipping one of them would end up cheaper buying
> locally.
>
> The Firestone seems to have good reviews and slightly better ratings.
> What is the general consensus?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Michael Rosen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, the consensus is that the Wrangler ST is a poor quality tire?
>>>Costco has BF Goodrich for $135.99. NTB has the Wrangler ST for about
>>>the same price.
>>
>>Anything 'Goodyear' is junk in my opinion. The guys who did my tires at
>>Costco affirm this. While you're over there, check out Michelin LTX
>>series instead - best tire I've ever put on a mostly-street-driven 4X4.
>
>

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

The Michelin is cheaper than that BF Goodrich.
I paid 104 apiece for mine at Discount Tire, mounted a few years ago.
Your size is if memory serves somewhere in the 235x16 which is a bit
more. e.g. at Tire Rack, the 235-70/16 is about $135 apiece. They tend
to get very old before they ever wear out and drastically improve the
highway manners of a Grand Cherokee. Very good on heavy rain,
moderately heavy snow, light mud, moderate offroad where the trail
surface is reasonably hard and not steep slickrock. Excellent highway
manners.


Michael Rosen proclaimed:

> I believe the Michelins are pretty expensive? I'm trying to find a
> good quality tire but at an affordable price. I was referred to a tire
> shop who will allow me to drop ship tires to him and he will only
> charge me $10 per tire to mount and balance them.
>
> I think I'm now deciding between the BFGoodrich Radial Long Trail T/A
> and Firestone Destination LE. Tirerack.com has them for $87 and $81,
> respectively. I can get the BFGoodrich at the local shop for $106
> installed and the Firestone for $86. Depending on which tire I go
> with, factoring in shipping one of them would end up cheaper buying
> locally.
>
> The Firestone seems to have good reviews and slightly better ratings.
> What is the general consensus?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Michael Rosen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, the consensus is that the Wrangler ST is a poor quality tire?
>>>Costco has BF Goodrich for $135.99. NTB has the Wrangler ST for about
>>>the same price.
>>
>>Anything 'Goodyear' is junk in my opinion. The guys who did my tires at
>>Costco affirm this. While you're over there, check out Michelin LTX
>>series instead - best tire I've ever put on a mostly-street-driven 4X4.
>
>

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 proclaimed:

> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Ya get what ya pay for. I lothe cheap tires. I'll spend a couple
>>hundred extra for the best tires I can find every time, and I've never
>>been disappointed with that decision.
>>
>>I did get a deal on the Michelins through Costco though. I always wait
>>until they're on sale and use the $100-off coupon. I dumped those awful
>>Goodyear things with only 113 miles on them when I bought the TJL. Best
>>decision I've ever made.
>
>
> Does Costco have more than they show on their website? When I search
> for tire for my car only the BFG Longtrail comes up. I'll have to stop
> by in person and see what they've got.
>
> The LTX also don't show up when I do a search on tirerack.com. Is it
> because I am sticking to the original equipment size? I have been
> figuring I should be sticking to the standard 225/75-16 size. The
> optional size is 245/70-16.

Tire Rack:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes....odel=LTX+M%2FS

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 proclaimed:

> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Ya get what ya pay for. I lothe cheap tires. I'll spend a couple
>>hundred extra for the best tires I can find every time, and I've never
>>been disappointed with that decision.
>>
>>I did get a deal on the Michelins through Costco though. I always wait
>>until they're on sale and use the $100-off coupon. I dumped those awful
>>Goodyear things with only 113 miles on them when I bought the TJL. Best
>>decision I've ever made.
>
>
> Does Costco have more than they show on their website? When I search
> for tire for my car only the BFG Longtrail comes up. I'll have to stop
> by in person and see what they've got.
>
> The LTX also don't show up when I do a search on tirerack.com. Is it
> because I am sticking to the original equipment size? I have been
> figuring I should be sticking to the standard 225/75-16 size. The
> optional size is 245/70-16.

Tire Rack:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes....odel=LTX+M%2FS

Re: Need new tires for 2002 Grand Cherokee Laredo
 

Mike20878 proclaimed:

> Outatime wrote:
>
>>Ya get what ya pay for. I lothe cheap tires. I'll spend a couple
>>hundred extra for the best tires I can find every time, and I've never
>>been disappointed with that decision.
>>
>>I did get a deal on the Michelins through Costco though. I always wait
>>until they're on sale and use the $100-off coupon. I dumped those awful
>>Goodyear things with only 113 miles on them when I bought the TJL. Best
>>decision I've ever made.
>
>
> Does Costco have more than they show on their website? When I search
> for tire for my car only the BFG Longtrail comes up. I'll have to stop
> by in person and see what they've got.
>
> The LTX also don't show up when I do a search on tirerack.com. Is it
> because I am sticking to the original equipment size? I have been
> figuring I should be sticking to the standard 225/75-16 size. The
> optional size is 245/70-16.

Tire Rack:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes....odel=LTX+M%2FS