musing about fuel savings
09-25-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
amplifiers, or off road lights
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
amplifiers, or off road lights
(I felt compelled to throw this in)
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
09-25-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
amplifiers, or off road lights
(I felt compelled to throw this in)
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
amplifiers, or off road lights
(I felt compelled to throw this in)
--
..
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
09-25-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
amplifiers, or off road lights
(I felt compelled to throw this in)
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
amplifiers, or off road lights
(I felt compelled to throw this in)
--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> Hi Doug,
> Playing around with the injectors and lifting exhaust valves like
> the '79 Cadillac and new hemi are just designed to snow the
> Environmental Protection Agency, only. As it still takes the same amount
> of energy to move weight at a speed. Lessening the weight of pistons,
> like Earle suggests of course save the energy required to stop and start
> them on every turn, but we sacrifice their longevity. If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
> Especially on every part that turns, than means tires that are as light
> and thin as possible. And for Doug, smaller alternators, and no radio
> amplifiers, nor off road lights.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Ok.. I know how the muli-displacement engines work, shutting down
>> fuel to half the bank. Which is easier for a V8.
>>
>> That got me thinking about the I6 4.0. It can run like a I3 but
>> that's only for balance testing, not for long runs. What tickled
>> the brain pan was the idea of dropping out one cyl on every rev.
>> Say the seventh cyl.. (yea, I know it has six)
>>
>> Normal firing order
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> etc
>> Modified
>> 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4 1-5-3-6-2-4
>> X X X X X X
>>
>> 5/6 of the fuel would be used, but the question is what strain would
>> be put on the crank. I'm thinking it would be fairly nominal torsion.
>>
>> The only problem is dropping out a cyl could freak out the O2 sensor and
>> the next fuel load might be unnecessarily rich. A smoothing circuit
>> could fix that.
>>
>> Dropping out a fuel injector is easy. They are all fed by the ECM and
>> dropping out the ground connection is fairly easy.
>>
>> Thoughts.
>>
>> (other than if I wanted good gas mileage I shouldn't have got a Jeep) :)
>>
>> This is what happens when I drink too much coffee before not going to
>> sleep. Yay coffee!
>>
>> --
>> DougW
09-25-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
09-25-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
09-25-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> If you want to
> save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
09-25-2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
... should have mentioned that I also upped my tyre pressures to 30 psi on
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
09-25-2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
... should have mentioned that I also upped my tyre pressures to 30 psi on
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
09-25-2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
... should have mentioned that I also upped my tyre pressures to 30 psi on
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
the motorway which does feel better.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pmCZe.115601$G8.48850@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> Been experimenting with exactly that. I used to get 19 mpg/US gallon at a
> carefree 75 mph and over the last 640 motorway miles, I have averaged a
> little over 24 mpg/US gallon at an "eggshell on the throttle peddle" 60-65
> mph. I was almost impressed with the TJs fuel consumption actually.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4336DF20.48E4BB2E@***.net...
> > If you want to
> > save of fuel, drive slower and/or take the weight off the car.
>
>
09-25-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Real Jeep don't give a sh*t about gas mileage and have huge
alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
> amplifiers, or off road lights
>
> (I felt compelled to throw this in)
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
alternators and fans pulling at least ten horsepower.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Real Jeeps don't have alternators, radio
> amplifiers, or off road lights
>
> (I felt compelled to throw this in)
>
> --
> .
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.