Coasty

But why be stupid? Just because someone can does not make it ok, even if it
is legal.

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>> Spdloader wrote:
>> >
>> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
>> > to drive after reading some of these replies.
>> >
>> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > you
>> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >
>> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > different tire,
>>
>> They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
>> not.....
>>
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle
>
>

Coasty

But why be stupid? Just because someone can does not make it ok, even if it
is legal.

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>> Spdloader wrote:
>> >
>> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
>> > to drive after reading some of these replies.
>> >
>> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > you
>> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >
>> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > different tire,
>>
>> They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
>> not.....
>>
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle
>
>

Coasty

But why be stupid? Just because someone can does not make it ok, even if it
is legal.

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>> Spdloader wrote:
>> >
>> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
>> > to drive after reading some of these replies.
>> >
>> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > you
>> > can't, match them per axle.
>> >
>> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > different tire,
>>
>> They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
>> not.....
>>
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle
>
>

Billy Ray

The 2001 Service Manual section on replacement tires is as follows:
"
DESCRIPTION - REPLACEMENT TIRES

The original equipment tires provide a proper balance

of many characteristics such as:

† Ride

† Noise

† Handling

† Durability

† Tread life

† Traction

† Rolling resistance

† Speed capability

It is recommended that tires equivalent to the original

equipment tires be used when replacement is

needed.

Failure to use equivalent replacement tires may

adversely affect the safety and handling of the vehicle.

The use of oversize tires may cause interference

with vehicle components. Under extremes of suspension

and steering travel, interference with vehicle

components may cause tire damage."

My '02 Owner's manual is very similar where it states the tires should be
"equivalent to the originals in quality and performance."

That being said the OP has 1 Wrangler ST (which is of very poor quality) and
3 Firestones of unknown model and quality.



I do not know that I would want 1 Wrangler ST mixed with a good quality tire
on the same axle as the traction of the Goodyears is so poor..

Tell us about what caused the other tire to go flat. If you had a nail or
screw through the tread area then a simple 'tire plugging' will offer a safe
repair.

How much wear is on the other Firestones?

What type of tire dealership? Was it a Firestone dealer or a dealer who
sells Firestone?

Another option is to purchase a used Firestone with similar mileage..

<ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

Billy Ray

The 2001 Service Manual section on replacement tires is as follows:
"
DESCRIPTION - REPLACEMENT TIRES

The original equipment tires provide a proper balance

of many characteristics such as:

† Ride

† Noise

† Handling

† Durability

† Tread life

† Traction

† Rolling resistance

† Speed capability

It is recommended that tires equivalent to the original

equipment tires be used when replacement is

needed.

Failure to use equivalent replacement tires may

adversely affect the safety and handling of the vehicle.

The use of oversize tires may cause interference

with vehicle components. Under extremes of suspension

and steering travel, interference with vehicle

components may cause tire damage."

My '02 Owner's manual is very similar where it states the tires should be
"equivalent to the originals in quality and performance."

That being said the OP has 1 Wrangler ST (which is of very poor quality) and
3 Firestones of unknown model and quality.



I do not know that I would want 1 Wrangler ST mixed with a good quality tire
on the same axle as the traction of the Goodyears is so poor..

Tell us about what caused the other tire to go flat. If you had a nail or
screw through the tread area then a simple 'tire plugging' will offer a safe
repair.

How much wear is on the other Firestones?

What type of tire dealership? Was it a Firestone dealer or a dealer who
sells Firestone?

Another option is to purchase a used Firestone with similar mileage..

<ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

Billy Ray

The 2001 Service Manual section on replacement tires is as follows:
"
DESCRIPTION - REPLACEMENT TIRES

The original equipment tires provide a proper balance

of many characteristics such as:

† Ride

† Noise

† Handling

† Durability

† Tread life

† Traction

† Rolling resistance

† Speed capability

It is recommended that tires equivalent to the original

equipment tires be used when replacement is

needed.

Failure to use equivalent replacement tires may

adversely affect the safety and handling of the vehicle.

The use of oversize tires may cause interference

with vehicle components. Under extremes of suspension

and steering travel, interference with vehicle

components may cause tire damage."

My '02 Owner's manual is very similar where it states the tires should be
"equivalent to the originals in quality and performance."

That being said the OP has 1 Wrangler ST (which is of very poor quality) and
3 Firestones of unknown model and quality.



I do not know that I would want 1 Wrangler ST mixed with a good quality tire
on the same axle as the traction of the Goodyears is so poor..

Tell us about what caused the other tire to go flat. If you had a nail or
screw through the tread area then a simple 'tire plugging' will offer a safe
repair.

How much wear is on the other Firestones?

What type of tire dealership? Was it a Firestone dealer or a dealer who
sells Firestone?

Another option is to purchase a used Firestone with similar mileage..

<ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage to
> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
> afraid of liability.
>
> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle. Should I
> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest speeds, or what?
> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive 2-wheel drive
> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds? Would this
> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>
> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the 4-wheel drive,
> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or I could be
> all wrong.
>
> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding accidents
> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars involved in
> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know better. So
> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged for a long
> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability purposes. Or they
> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like to know:
> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't: Immediately buy two
> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>

TW

The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have two
mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an accident,
you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well because you
were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and sell
the old ones separately if some of them are any good.

TW

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43877711.F764BD97@sympatico.ca...
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
> > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> > > you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire,
> >
> > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
> > not.....
> >
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle

Here they figure if you are driving an unsafe vehicle and kill someone
in an 'accident', the 'accident' is no longer an accident, you are at
fault for driving an unsafe vehicle. 'Maybe' you could have avoided the
other person if you vehicle had proper tires to turn properly.

I was lucky, the guy that hit me lived and my Cherokee is in good
mechanical shape.

I guess for something that big, it would take a jury up here too...

But you still would get screwed over just in a regular accident if you
have an odd tire.

Mike

TW

The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have two
mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an accident,
you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well because you
were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and sell
the old ones separately if some of them are any good.

TW

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43877711.F764BD97@sympatico.ca...
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
> > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> > > you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire,
> >
> > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
> > not.....
> >
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle

Here they figure if you are driving an unsafe vehicle and kill someone
in an 'accident', the 'accident' is no longer an accident, you are at
fault for driving an unsafe vehicle. 'Maybe' you could have avoided the
other person if you vehicle had proper tires to turn properly.

I was lucky, the guy that hit me lived and my Cherokee is in good
mechanical shape.

I guess for something that big, it would take a jury up here too...

But you still would get screwed over just in a regular accident if you
have an odd tire.

Mike

TW

The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have two
mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an accident,
you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well because you
were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and sell
the old ones separately if some of them are any good.

TW

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43877711.F764BD97@sympatico.ca...
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
> > Spdloader wrote:
> > >
> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
> > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
> > >
> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
> > > you
> > > can't, match them per axle.
> > >
> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
> > > different tire,
> >
> > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
> > not.....
> >
> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone in
> jail
> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
> attorney
> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be trying
> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
> would
> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
> sounds
> like bullcrap.
>
> Earle

Here they figure if you are driving an unsafe vehicle and kill someone
in an 'accident', the 'accident' is no longer an accident, you are at
fault for driving an unsafe vehicle. 'Maybe' you could have avoided the
other person if you vehicle had proper tires to turn properly.

I was lucky, the guy that hit me lived and my Cherokee is in good
mechanical shape.

I guess for something that big, it would take a jury up here too...

But you still would get screwed over just in a regular accident if you
have an odd tire.

Mike

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Fords, here for one are still using the space saver spare tire, at
least with the front wheel drive vans.
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TW wrote:
>
> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have two
> mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an accident,
> you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as well because you
> were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to have a warrant of
> fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is less than six years
> old, six monthly after that) and part of the test includes tread depth,
> tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just replace them all and sell
> the old ones separately if some of them are any good.
>
> TW