Earle,

There never were 2 sizes. someone just made that part up.

I will quote from the OP:
"They are the same diameter, just different brands"




"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:438a2ce0$0$6382$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> With all the noise in this thread, I missed the two different sizes. That
> is not a good idea. I tried the factory spare on my Wrangler once, and
> the
> first stop was a tire shoppe.
>
> Earle
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
>> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
>> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
>> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
>> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
>> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
>> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>>
>> As for the Western Slope law situation, it sounds like Ouray is
>> exporting expretise again. I feel right at home reading about the
>> shennanigans over there. My dinky little town in West Texas had the
>> same sort of problems some years back. Only difference was that the
>> local folks cheered the prosecuter's decision. Seems the perp went
>> and committed suicide a couple of days after he was released. Must
>> have been a real contortionist, tho - shot himself behind the ear with
>> a .45 and they never found the gun...
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:30:30 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wrote my district attorney's office a long letter, telling them
> exactly
>> > what I thought of their refusal to prosecute a --- offender in my
> community,
>> > who had been caught red-handed. Then I published, at my own expense,
>> > an
>> > article characterizing the local sheriff as "stupid" for her role in
>> > the
>> > same incident. I doubt they will ever let me sit on any jury here.
>> >
>> > We weren't, as far as I know, talking about 215/235 on the same axle.
> We
>> > were talking about Firestone matched with Goodyear, both radials, or
> even
>> > two different model tires from the same manufacturer. And Canadian
>> > cops
> or
>> > accident investigators throwing their weight around. I am so glad that
> I
>> > don't (yet) live in a totalitarian society.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-p28BpLwixko2@anon.none.net...
>> > > True, Earle, but you can be damned sure that the plaintif's lawyer
>> > > would very carefully point the dreadful consequences of such a
>> > > mismatch had it existed. The 215/235 difference (nearly an inch
>> > > nominal) is probably a valid argument.
>> > >
>> > > As Bill points out, as an engineer who has also served as an expert
>> > > witness (for either side) in product liability cases a few times, I
>> > > spend very little time on jury duty - can't remember the last time
>> > > AAMOF.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:44:23 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > > <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet
> you
>> > > > couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of
> twelve
>> > > > people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars,
> whether
>> > they
>> > > > matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a
>> > potential
>> > > > jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent
>> > defective
>> > > > equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or
> less
>> > > > properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for
>> > mismatched
>> > > > tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle
>> > > >
>> > > > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > (Sorry this is so long)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the
>> > legal
>> > > > > differences between the US and someone who said you can go to
>> > > > > jail
> for
>> > > > mixed
>> > > > > tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
> in
>> > law
>> > > > > enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
> trainer as
>> > > > well.
>> > > > > I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on
> ice a
>> > > > > couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a
> couple
>> > of
>> > > > > times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some
> of
>> > the
>> > > > > responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that
> other
>> > than
>> > > > > with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout
> due
>> > to
>> > > > > heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause
> and
>> > > > > accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle
> IN
>> > an
>> > > > > accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to
> make
>> > a
>> > > > > point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they
> ALWAYS
>> > know
>> > > > > someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone
> who
>> > was
>> > > > > killed or maimed on one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but
>> > disagree
>> > > > > that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can
> cause
>> > > > > fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that
> vehicle
>> > > > weighs
>> > > > > much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> > > > acceleration
>> > > > > because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> > > > > front
> end
>> > due
>> > > > > to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The
> rear
>> > tires
>> > > > > will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of
> the
>> > front
>> > > > > end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but
> won't
>> > CAUSE
>> > > > > the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but
> the
>> > laws
>> > > > of
>> > > > > gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your
>> > > > > Pontiac
>> > Wagon
>> > > > in
>> > > > > a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The
> tires
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > > cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
> maintain
>> > > > > adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
> on
>> > front
>> > > > to
>> > > > > rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road
>> > conditions
>> > > > > and driver ability all playing a part.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Respectfully,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Spdloader
>> > > > > C. Tracy Bryson
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > > > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any
>> > > > > > old
>> > brand
>> > > > > > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is
>> > > > > > just
>> > plain
>> > > > > > wrong.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and
> goodyears of
>> > the
>> > > > > > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the
>> > ditch on
>> > > > > > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with
>> > > > > > tires.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking
>> > > > > > why
> his
>> > > > > > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any
>> > acceleration.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike
>> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > > > Aug./05
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Spdloader wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I forgot to add,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect
> vehicles in
>> > > > two
>> > > > > >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made
>> > > > > >> is
>> > that
>> > > > > >> tires
>> > > > > >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the
> Motor
>> > > > > >> vehicle
>> > > > > >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Later,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Spdloader
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to
> death
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > drive
>> > > > > >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your
> vehicle,
>> > but if
>> > > > > >> > you
>> > > > > >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a
> slightly
>> > > > > >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd
>> > handling
>> > > > > >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if
> it's on
>> > the
>> > > > > >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires,
> it's
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > that
>> > > > > >> > big a deal.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years.
> I'm
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > just
>> > > > > >> > making this up.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets,
>> > because
>> > > > of
>> > > > > >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now,
> for
>> > > > > >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to
> happen
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > you.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc
> with no
>> > ill
>> > > > > >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> > > > different
>> > > > > >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I
> don't
>> > run
>> > > > > >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted
>> > > > > >> > you
> to
>> > hear
>> > > > > >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Spdloader
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > > > >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3
> Firestone
>> > > > brand
>> > > > > >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They
> are
>> > the
>> > > > > >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat,
>> > > > > >> >> and
> the
>> > > > tire
>> > > > > >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk
> serious
>> > damage
>> > > > > >> >> to
>> > > > > >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation
>> > > > > >> >> on
> my
>> > > > > >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just
>> > > > > >> >> went
> and
>> > got
>> > > > > >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a
>> > > > > >> >> little
>> > less
>> > > > > >> >> afraid of liability.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle.
> Should
>> > I
>> > > > > >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest
>> > > > > >> >> speeds,
> or
>> > > > what?
>> > > > > >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive
>> > 2-wheel
>> > > > > >> >> drive
>> > > > > >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds?
> Would
>> > this
>> > > > > >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > >
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> > > > > >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the
> 4-wheel
>> > drive,
>> > > > > >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or
>> > > > > >> >> I
>> > could
>> > > > be
>> > > > > >> >> all wrong.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding
>> > accidents
>> > > > > >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars
> involved
>> > in
>> > > > > >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know
> better.
>> > So
>> > > > > >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged
>> > > > > >> >> for
> a
>> > long
>> > > > > >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability
>> > > > > >> >> purposes.
> Or
>> > > > they
>> > > > > >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like
> to
>> > know:
>> > > > > >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't:
>> > > > > >> >> Immediately
> buy
>> > two
>> > > > > >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>
>

 

Earle,

There never were 2 sizes. someone just made that part up.

I will quote from the OP:
"They are the same diameter, just different brands"




"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:438a2ce0$0$6382$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> With all the noise in this thread, I missed the two different sizes. That
> is not a good idea. I tried the factory spare on my Wrangler once, and
> the
> first stop was a tire shoppe.
>
> Earle
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
>> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
>> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
>> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
>> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
>> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
>> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>>
>> As for the Western Slope law situation, it sounds like Ouray is
>> exporting expretise again. I feel right at home reading about the
>> shennanigans over there. My dinky little town in West Texas had the
>> same sort of problems some years back. Only difference was that the
>> local folks cheered the prosecuter's decision. Seems the perp went
>> and committed suicide a couple of days after he was released. Must
>> have been a real contortionist, tho - shot himself behind the ear with
>> a .45 and they never found the gun...
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:30:30 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wrote my district attorney's office a long letter, telling them
> exactly
>> > what I thought of their refusal to prosecute a --- offender in my
> community,
>> > who had been caught red-handed. Then I published, at my own expense,
>> > an
>> > article characterizing the local sheriff as "stupid" for her role in
>> > the
>> > same incident. I doubt they will ever let me sit on any jury here.
>> >
>> > We weren't, as far as I know, talking about 215/235 on the same axle.
> We
>> > were talking about Firestone matched with Goodyear, both radials, or
> even
>> > two different model tires from the same manufacturer. And Canadian
>> > cops
> or
>> > accident investigators throwing their weight around. I am so glad that
> I
>> > don't (yet) live in a totalitarian society.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-p28BpLwixko2@anon.none.net...
>> > > True, Earle, but you can be damned sure that the plaintif's lawyer
>> > > would very carefully point the dreadful consequences of such a
>> > > mismatch had it existed. The 215/235 difference (nearly an inch
>> > > nominal) is probably a valid argument.
>> > >
>> > > As Bill points out, as an engineer who has also served as an expert
>> > > witness (for either side) in product liability cases a few times, I
>> > > spend very little time on jury duty - can't remember the last time
>> > > AAMOF.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:44:23 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > > <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet
> you
>> > > > couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of
> twelve
>> > > > people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars,
> whether
>> > they
>> > > > matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a
>> > potential
>> > > > jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent
>> > defective
>> > > > equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or
> less
>> > > > properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for
>> > mismatched
>> > > > tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle
>> > > >
>> > > > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > (Sorry this is so long)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the
>> > legal
>> > > > > differences between the US and someone who said you can go to
>> > > > > jail
> for
>> > > > mixed
>> > > > > tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
> in
>> > law
>> > > > > enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
> trainer as
>> > > > well.
>> > > > > I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on
> ice a
>> > > > > couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a
> couple
>> > of
>> > > > > times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some
> of
>> > the
>> > > > > responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that
> other
>> > than
>> > > > > with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout
> due
>> > to
>> > > > > heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause
> and
>> > > > > accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle
> IN
>> > an
>> > > > > accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to
> make
>> > a
>> > > > > point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they
> ALWAYS
>> > know
>> > > > > someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone
> who
>> > was
>> > > > > killed or maimed on one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but
>> > disagree
>> > > > > that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can
> cause
>> > > > > fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that
> vehicle
>> > > > weighs
>> > > > > much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> > > > acceleration
>> > > > > because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> > > > > front
> end
>> > due
>> > > > > to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The
> rear
>> > tires
>> > > > > will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of
> the
>> > front
>> > > > > end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but
> won't
>> > CAUSE
>> > > > > the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but
> the
>> > laws
>> > > > of
>> > > > > gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your
>> > > > > Pontiac
>> > Wagon
>> > > > in
>> > > > > a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The
> tires
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > > cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
> maintain
>> > > > > adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
> on
>> > front
>> > > > to
>> > > > > rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road
>> > conditions
>> > > > > and driver ability all playing a part.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Respectfully,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Spdloader
>> > > > > C. Tracy Bryson
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > > > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any
>> > > > > > old
>> > brand
>> > > > > > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is
>> > > > > > just
>> > plain
>> > > > > > wrong.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and
> goodyears of
>> > the
>> > > > > > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the
>> > ditch on
>> > > > > > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with
>> > > > > > tires.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking
>> > > > > > why
> his
>> > > > > > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any
>> > acceleration.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike
>> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > > > Aug./05
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Spdloader wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I forgot to add,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect
> vehicles in
>> > > > two
>> > > > > >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made
>> > > > > >> is
>> > that
>> > > > > >> tires
>> > > > > >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the
> Motor
>> > > > > >> vehicle
>> > > > > >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Later,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Spdloader
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to
> death
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > drive
>> > > > > >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your
> vehicle,
>> > but if
>> > > > > >> > you
>> > > > > >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a
> slightly
>> > > > > >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd
>> > handling
>> > > > > >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if
> it's on
>> > the
>> > > > > >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires,
> it's
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > that
>> > > > > >> > big a deal.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years.
> I'm
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > just
>> > > > > >> > making this up.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets,
>> > because
>> > > > of
>> > > > > >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now,
> for
>> > > > > >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to
> happen
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > you.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc
> with no
>> > ill
>> > > > > >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> > > > different
>> > > > > >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I
> don't
>> > run
>> > > > > >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted
>> > > > > >> > you
> to
>> > hear
>> > > > > >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Spdloader
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > > > >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3
> Firestone
>> > > > brand
>> > > > > >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They
> are
>> > the
>> > > > > >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat,
>> > > > > >> >> and
> the
>> > > > tire
>> > > > > >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk
> serious
>> > damage
>> > > > > >> >> to
>> > > > > >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation
>> > > > > >> >> on
> my
>> > > > > >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just
>> > > > > >> >> went
> and
>> > got
>> > > > > >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a
>> > > > > >> >> little
>> > less
>> > > > > >> >> afraid of liability.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle.
> Should
>> > I
>> > > > > >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest
>> > > > > >> >> speeds,
> or
>> > > > what?
>> > > > > >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive
>> > 2-wheel
>> > > > > >> >> drive
>> > > > > >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds?
> Would
>> > this
>> > > > > >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > >
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> > > > > >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the
> 4-wheel
>> > drive,
>> > > > > >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or
>> > > > > >> >> I
>> > could
>> > > > be
>> > > > > >> >> all wrong.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding
>> > accidents
>> > > > > >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars
> involved
>> > in
>> > > > > >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know
> better.
>> > So
>> > > > > >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged
>> > > > > >> >> for
> a
>> > long
>> > > > > >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability
>> > > > > >> >> purposes.
> Or
>> > > > they
>> > > > > >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like
> to
>> > know:
>> > > > > >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't:
>> > > > > >> >> Immediately
> buy
>> > two
>> > > > > >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>
>

 

Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.

Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
speak out.

Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> bull$hit.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
>> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>>
>> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>>
>> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
>> not
>> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>>
>>
>> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
>> years
>> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
>> may
>> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
>> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>>> tires behave differently.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.

Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
speak out.

Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> bull$hit.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
>> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>>
>> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>>
>> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
>> not
>> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>>
>>
>> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
>> years
>> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
>> may
>> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
>> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>>> tires behave differently.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.

Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
speak out.

Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.




"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> bull$hit.
>
>
> Spdloader
>
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>>
>> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
>> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>>
>> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>>
>> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
>> not
>> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>>
>>
>> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
>> years
>> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
>> may
>> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
>> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>>> tires behave differently.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

I used to drive a, 85 Nissan pickup with matched Michelin Xs. I would break
the rear end loose at times.
Tomes

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ee754$438a5126$4831b233$7266@FUSE.NET...
> Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.
>
> Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
> speak out.
>
> Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.
>
>
>
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> > bull$hit.
> >
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
> >>
> >> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod
in
> >> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
> >>
> >> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
> >>
> >> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
> >> not
> >> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
> >>
> >>
> >> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
> >> years
> >> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones
people
> >> may
> >> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> >> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> >>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> >>> tires behave differently.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

I used to drive a, 85 Nissan pickup with matched Michelin Xs. I would break
the rear end loose at times.
Tomes

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ee754$438a5126$4831b233$7266@FUSE.NET...
> Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.
>
> Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
> speak out.
>
> Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.
>
>
>
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> > bull$hit.
> >
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
> >>
> >> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod
in
> >> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
> >>
> >> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
> >>
> >> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
> >> not
> >> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
> >>
> >>
> >> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
> >> years
> >> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones
people
> >> may
> >> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> >> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> >>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> >>> tires behave differently.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

I used to drive a, 85 Nissan pickup with matched Michelin Xs. I would break
the rear end loose at times.
Tomes

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ee754$438a5126$4831b233$7266@FUSE.NET...
> Let's do a survey here in the newsgroup.
>
> Anyone, who EVER drove a pickup, who never ever broke the rear end loose
> speak out.
>
> Let's see if anyone has the nerve to make this claim.
>
>
>
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O8sif.7525$xD5.2402081@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
> > bull$hit.
> >
> >
> > Spdloader
> >
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
> >>
> >> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod
in
> >> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
> >>
> >> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
> >>
> >> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but
> >> not
> >> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
> >>
> >>
> >> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple
> >> years
> >> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones
people
> >> may
> >> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> >> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> >>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> >>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> >>> tires behave differently.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Ha!
Reminds me when I lived in a rural area
outside Ottawa. Every Spring the police
would drive around and pull over every car
that looked old or unsafe. Then direct them
to a mall parking lot with mechanics waiting for them.
Any car that failed the safty check (tires,brakes,rust holes,lights,
windows etc..)
the plates were pulled off and then towed away.

TW wrote:
>
> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have
> two mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
> accident, you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as
> well because you were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to
> have a warrant of fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is
> less than six years old, six monthly after that) and part of the test
> includes tread depth, tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just
> replace them all and sell the old ones separately if some of them are
> any good.
>
> TW
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43877711.F764BD97@sympatico.ca...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
>> > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
>> > >
>> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > > you
>> > > can't, match them per axle.
>> > >
>> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > > different tire,
>> >
>> > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
>> > not.....
>> >
>> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone
>> in jail
>> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
>> attorney
>> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be
>> trying
>> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
>> would
>> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
>> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
>> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
>> sounds
>> like bullcrap.
>>
>> Earle
>
>
> Here they figure if you are driving an unsafe vehicle and kill someone
> in an 'accident', the 'accident' is no longer an accident, you are at
> fault for driving an unsafe vehicle. 'Maybe' you could have avoided the
> other person if you vehicle had proper tires to turn properly.
>
> I was lucky, the guy that hit me lived and my Cherokee is in good
> mechanical shape.
>
> I guess for something that big, it would take a jury up here too...
>
> But you still would get screwed over just in a regular accident if you
> have an odd tire.
>
> Mike

 

Ha!
Reminds me when I lived in a rural area
outside Ottawa. Every Spring the police
would drive around and pull over every car
that looked old or unsafe. Then direct them
to a mall parking lot with mechanics waiting for them.
Any car that failed the safty check (tires,brakes,rust holes,lights,
windows etc..)
the plates were pulled off and then towed away.

TW wrote:
>
> The logic here in New Zealand is in line with Canada. You cannot have
> two mismatched tyres on the same axle (it is illegal). If there is an
> accident, you are history as probably the insurance won't cover it as
> well because you were driving an "unfit" or "unsafe" car. We have to
> have a warrant of fitness performed on our cars here (annually if it is
> less than six years old, six monthly after that) and part of the test
> includes tread depth, tread wear and pattern. Its much easier to just
> replace them all and sell the old ones separately if some of them are
> any good.
>
> TW
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43877711.F764BD97@sympatico.ca...
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43876374.80788C09@sympatico.ca...
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to death
>> > > to drive after reading some of these replies.
>> > >
>> > > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your vehicle, but if
>> > > you
>> > > can't, match them per axle.
>> > >
>> > > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a slightly
>> > > different tire,
>> >
>> > They told me it made 'The' difference between me going to jail or
>> > not.....
>> >
>> In the United States of America you would need a jury to put someone
>> in jail
>> for something like this. An overly enthusiastic assistant district
>> attorney
>> might threaten to prosecute, but it would be bluff, and he would be
>> trying
>> for a plea bargain, not justified by the facts. How many jury members
>> would
>> have mismatched tires, or have no idea what size tires were on their own
>> cars? I think that "they" were just trying to impress you with how much
>> power and authority they possessed. Even in a socialist state, this
>> sounds
>> like bullcrap.
>>
>> Earle
>
>
> Here they figure if you are driving an unsafe vehicle and kill someone
> in an 'accident', the 'accident' is no longer an accident, you are at
> fault for driving an unsafe vehicle. 'Maybe' you could have avoided the
> other person if you vehicle had proper tires to turn properly.
>
> I was lucky, the guy that hit me lived and my Cherokee is in good
> mechanical shape.
>
> I guess for something that big, it would take a jury up here too...
>
> But you still would get screwed over just in a regular accident if you
> have an odd tire.
>
> Mike