GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.

I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.

Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.


Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people may
have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> tires behave differently.
>
>

 

GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.

I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.

Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.


Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people may
have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> tires behave differently.
>
>

 

GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.

I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.

Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.


Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people may
have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?



"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
> tires behave differently.
>
>

 

No that is NOT the OP description. It is... and I'll quote:
ralco...@hotmail.com
Nov 25, 11:10 am show options

Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: ralco...@hotmail.com - Find messages by this author
Date: 25 Nov 2005 08:10:29 -0800
Local: Fri, Nov 25 2005 11:10 am
Subject: Mismatched tire brands
Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message |
Show original | Report Abuse

Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
afraid of liability.



It SPECIFICALLY states "They are the
same diameter, just different brands"







"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>

 

No that is NOT the OP description. It is... and I'll quote:
ralco...@hotmail.com
Nov 25, 11:10 am show options

Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: ralco...@hotmail.com - Find messages by this author
Date: 25 Nov 2005 08:10:29 -0800
Local: Fri, Nov 25 2005 11:10 am
Subject: Mismatched tire brands
Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message |
Show original | Report Abuse

Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
afraid of liability.



It SPECIFICALLY states "They are the
same diameter, just different brands"







"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>

 

No that is NOT the OP description. It is... and I'll quote:
ralco...@hotmail.com
Nov 25, 11:10 am show options

Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.jeep+******
From: ralco...@hotmail.com - Find messages by this author
Date: 25 Nov 2005 08:10:29 -0800
Local: Fri, Nov 25 2005 11:10 am
Subject: Mismatched tire brands
Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message |
Show original | Report Abuse

Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3 Firestone brand
tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They are the
same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat, and the tire
dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk serious damage
to
the differential, and he wants no part of an installation on my
vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just went and got
the tire patched, the local filling station must be a little less
afraid of liability.



It SPECIFICALLY states "They are the
same diameter, just different brands"







"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>

 

Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
bull$hit.


Spdloader


"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>
> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>
> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>
> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>
>
> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
> may
> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>
>
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>> tires behave differently.
>>
>>
>
>

 

Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
bull$hit.


Spdloader


"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>
> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>
> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>
> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>
>
> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
> may
> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>
>
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>> tires behave differently.
>>
>>
>
>

 

Good point Billy Ray, and I'll tell you why, because it was litigious
bull$hit.


Spdloader


"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e94c6$438a4d96$4831b233$6163@FUSE.NET...
>
> GOSH! An accident where a pickup lost control when the rear end, shod in
> undersized tires, swung out trying to dodge a deer in the roadway.
>
> I NEVER, EVER heard of the rear end of a pickup swinging out.
>
> Let's have a reference to tires of the correct size, pressure, etc but not
> the same model/manufacturer was proven to be the cause of a fatality.
>
>
> Let's try a recent reference....... In the Firestone fiasco a couple years
> ago they only replaced existing Firestone tires, not the odd ones people
> may
> have had. If this was such a horribly dangerous affront to auto safety
> would they not have replaced all 4 err... 5 tires on every explorer?
>
>
>
> "Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:dmd3jv$j2b$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> Mismatched tires are a bad idea. For a scholarly but brief discussion,
>> see: <URL:http://www.designnews.com/article/CA189195.html> Different
>> tires behave differently.
>>
>>
>
>

 

Earle,

There never were 2 sizes. someone just made that part up.

I will quote from the OP:
"They are the same diameter, just different brands"




"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:438a2ce0$0$6382$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> With all the noise in this thread, I missed the two different sizes. That
> is not a good idea. I tried the factory spare on my Wrangler once, and
> the
> first stop was a tire shoppe.
>
> Earle
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-jF6kIlCmN1mw@anon.none.net...
>> Amid all the noise, that was what the OP came back with: 3 x 235/15
>> and 1 215/15. Unless he has a really strange Jeep, that's going to
>> put a mismatch on one axle or the other <g>. He also noted that the
>> mismatch was on the rear. I can handle the mismatch on the front -
>> for a short time - but putting it on the rear gets dicey. Add
>> icy/slick roads and it makes for some challenging dynamics.
>>
>> As for the Western Slope law situation, it sounds like Ouray is
>> exporting expretise again. I feel right at home reading about the
>> shennanigans over there. My dinky little town in West Texas had the
>> same sort of problems some years back. Only difference was that the
>> local folks cheered the prosecuter's decision. Seems the perp went
>> and committed suicide a couple of days after he was released. Must
>> have been a real contortionist, tho - shot himself behind the ear with
>> a .45 and they never found the gun...
>>
>> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:30:30 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wrote my district attorney's office a long letter, telling them
> exactly
>> > what I thought of their refusal to prosecute a --- offender in my
> community,
>> > who had been caught red-handed. Then I published, at my own expense,
>> > an
>> > article characterizing the local sheriff as "stupid" for her role in
>> > the
>> > same incident. I doubt they will ever let me sit on any jury here.
>> >
>> > We weren't, as far as I know, talking about 215/235 on the same axle.
> We
>> > were talking about Firestone matched with Goodyear, both radials, or
> even
>> > two different model tires from the same manufacturer. And Canadian
>> > cops
> or
>> > accident investigators throwing their weight around. I am so glad that
> I
>> > don't (yet) live in a totalitarian society.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-p28BpLwixko2@anon.none.net...
>> > > True, Earle, but you can be damned sure that the plaintif's lawyer
>> > > would very carefully point the dreadful consequences of such a
>> > > mismatch had it existed. The 215/235 difference (nearly an inch
>> > > nominal) is probably a valid argument.
>> > >
>> > > As Bill points out, as an engineer who has also served as an expert
>> > > witness (for either side) in product liability cases a few times, I
>> > > spend very little time on jury duty - can't remember the last time
>> > > AAMOF.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:44:23 UTC "Earle Horton"
>> > > <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It is said that a jury is the conscience of a community. I'll bet
> you
>> > > > couldn't put together a jury in the U.S., or in Canada either, of
> twelve
>> > > > people who all knew what kind of tires they had on their cars,
> whether
>> > they
>> > > > matched, or even how to tell what size they all were. Imho, as a
>> > potential
>> > > > jury member, you are not going to get a conviction, for negligent
>> > defective
>> > > > equipment, if the tires are all the same size, and inflated more or
> less
>> > > > properly. The cop who told Mike he could have gone to jail for
>> > mismatched
>> > > > tires, was plainly blowing smoke.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle
>> > > >
>> > > > "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > news:0I1if.6272$3o6.1393147@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > (Sorry this is so long)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > No, that's not what I'm saying at all Mike. Just pointing out the
>> > legal
>> > > > > differences between the US and someone who said you can go to
>> > > > > jail
> for
>> > > > mixed
>> > > > > tires in Canada. I investigated tons of accidents during my years
> in
>> > law
>> > > > > enforcement. Tons. I was a certified accident investigation
> trainer as
>> > > > well.
>> > > > > I never found mismatched tires to be the culprit. Bald tires on
> ice a
>> > > > > couple of times, steel belts showing then the tire blew out a
> couple
>> > of
>> > > > > times, but that's it, and those were the fault of the owner.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again, I don't condone mixing up tires, I'm just saying that some
> of
>> > the
>> > > > > responses were a bit overboard in what might happen, and that
> other
>> > than
>> > > > > with blowouts and severe under-inflation, (which causes a blowout
> due
>> > to
>> > > > > heat like with the Firestone/Explorer fiasco) tires seldom cause
> and
>> > > > > accident, but they can reduce your ability to control the vehicle
> IN
>> > an
>> > > > > accident, or in extreme conditions. People go overboard trying to
> make
>> > a
>> > > > > point, just like when I tell people I ride a motorcycle, they
> ALWAYS
>> > know
>> > > > > someone killed/maimed on one, or know someone who knows someone
> who
>> > was
>> > > > > killed or maimed on one.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regarding the gent in the other newsgroup, I read the post, but
>> > disagree
>> > > > > that mismatched tires were the only cause. LOTS of things can
> cause
>> > > > > fishtailing in snow, it is snow, after all. The rear of that
> vehicle
>> > > > weighs
>> > > > > much less than the front, and it WILL come around the front on
>> > > > acceleration
>> > > > > because the front weighs more, and with the "plowing" of the
>> > > > > front
> end
>> > due
>> > > > > to snow and weight, the front has more rolling resistance. The
> rear
>> > tires
>> > > > > will take the path of least resistance, to the left or right of
> the
>> > front
>> > > > > end. Mismatched tires will only create secondary problems, but
> won't
>> > CAUSE
>> > > > > the problem, unless WILDLY different.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Todays SUVs may be more susceptible to differences in tires, but
> the
>> > laws
>> > > > of
>> > > > > gravity and physics hasn't changed.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I would venture a guess that when you "damn near put your
>> > > > > Pontiac
>> > Wagon
>> > > > in
>> > > > > a ditch", you were merely driving too fast for conditions. The
> tires
>> > > > didn't
>> > > > > cause that, you did by driving beyond your tires ability to
> maintain
>> > > > > adhesion to the road. There are totally different dynamics going
> on
>> > front
>> > > > to
>> > > > > rear and side to side on a turn. Weight, speed, traction, road
>> > conditions
>> > > > > and driver ability all playing a part.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Respectfully,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Spdloader
>> > > > > C. Tracy Bryson
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:43888391.4239085B@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > > > Good lord man, you are trying to say mixing and matching any
>> > > > > > old
>> > brand
>> > > > > > as long as they size stamp is the same is ok????
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Besides being 'way' out of date with today's SUV's, that is
>> > > > > > just
>> > plain
>> > > > > > wrong.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I once mixed a set of Michelin radials on the front and
> goodyears of
>> > the
>> > > > > > same size on the back and damn near put my Pontiac wagon in the
>> > ditch on
>> > > > > > the first corner. It dove and slid out sideways.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That was the last time I ever did anything so stupid with
>> > > > > > tires.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > There is a gent on another Jeep group who just posted asking
>> > > > > > why
> his
>> > > > > > wrangler always wants to fishtail in the snow under any
>> > acceleration.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you guessed mis matched tires, you would be right.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike
>> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > > > > > Aug./05
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> > > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Spdloader wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I forgot to add,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> During the time I sold tires, I was licensed to inspect
> vehicles in
>> > > > two
>> > > > > >> states. As with most other states, the only stipulation made
>> > > > > >> is
>> > that
>> > > > > >> tires
>> > > > > >> have at least 3/32 of tread.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I was also a cop for 9 years previous to that. Nothing in the
> Motor
>> > > > > >> vehicle
>> > > > > >> code about tire brand, just minimum tread depth.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Later,
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Spdloader
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> news:tVIhf.5729$3o6.1308251@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>> > > > > >> > Good lord if I believed everything I read, I'd be scared to
> death
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > drive
>> > > > > >> > after reading some of these replies.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > It's important to have a matched set of tires on your
> vehicle,
>> > but if
>> > > > > >> > you
>> > > > > >> > can't, match them per axle.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > NOTHING catastrophic is going to happen to you running a
> slightly
>> > > > > >> > different tire, (notice I said slightly) it CAN cause odd
>> > handling
>> > > > > >> > characteristics, and it CAN cause slightly odd braking if
> it's on
>> > the
>> > > > > >> > front, but unless its wildly different from the other tires,
> it's
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > that
>> > > > > >> > big a deal.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I sold tires for and was a front end mechanic for 11 years.
> I'm
>> > not
>> > > > > >> > just
>> > > > > >> > making this up.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Most new tire dealers ARE afraid to sell you unmatched sets,
>> > because
>> > > > of
>> > > > > >> > the potential for liability, because everyone DOES sue now,
> for
>> > > > > >> > everything. It doesn't mean something terrible is going to
> happen
>> > to
>> > > > > >> > you.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Millions of vehicles run mismatched tires, re-treads, etc
> with no
>> > ill
>> > > > > >> > effect. Trans-Ams a few years ago came from the factory with
>> > > > different
>> > > > > >> > size tires from front to rear.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I don't condone running different tires on your vehicle, I
> don't
>> > run
>> > > > > >> > oddballs on my passenger vehicles either, but just wanted
>> > > > > >> > you
> to
>> > hear
>> > > > > >> > something other than "doomsday" advice.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > Spdloader
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > <ralconte@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > >> > news:1132935028.988595.38340@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > > > >> >> Hi there, I've got a Jeep Wrangler 2001, and I have 3
> Firestone
>> > > > brand
>> > > > > >> >> tires, and one original brand, came with the vehicle. They
> are
>> > the
>> > > > > >> >> same diameter, just different brands. One has gone flat,
>> > > > > >> >> and
> the
>> > > > tire
>> > > > > >> >> dealer refuses to sell me a new one -- he says I risk
> serious
>> > damage
>> > > > > >> >> to
>> > > > > >> >> the differential, and he wants no part of an installation
>> > > > > >> >> on
> my
>> > > > > >> >> vehicle, presumably, for liability purposes. So I just
>> > > > > >> >> went
> and
>> > got
>> > > > > >> >> the tire patched, the local filling station must be a
>> > > > > >> >> little
>> > less
>> > > > > >> >> afraid of liability.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> So, what does this state of affairs mean for my vehicle.
> Should
>> > I
>> > > > > >> >> never use the 4 wheel drive, use only at the slowest
>> > > > > >> >> speeds,
> or
>> > > > what?
>> > > > > >> >> Am I at some small, moderate or serious risk when I drive
>> > 2-wheel
>> > > > > >> >> drive
>> > > > > >> >> on an ordinary day, on rainy days, or at highway speeds?
> Would
>> > this
>> > > > > >> >> adversely affect the ABS in any way?
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> There was one similar thread on this subject before.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > >
>> >
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...09b3108a50b2bc
>> > > > > >> >> Involving using the mini-spare, and its affect on the
> 4-wheel
>> > drive,
>> > > > > >> >> and thats not really the case for my vehicle, I assume, or
>> > > > > >> >> I
>> > could
>> > > > be
>> > > > > >> >> all wrong.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> The tire dealer has many newspaper clippings up regarding
>> > accidents
>> > > > > >> >> caused by mismatched tires, even involving police cars
> involved
>> > in
>> > > > > >> >> accidents, presumably the point is that they should know
> better.
>> > So
>> > > > > >> >> this could be a serious problem that no one acknowledged
>> > > > > >> >> for
> a
>> > long
>> > > > > >> >> time. Or they could be over-cautios for liability
>> > > > > >> >> purposes.
> Or
>> > > > they
>> > > > > >> >> just want people to buy more tires. At any rate, I'd like
> to
>> > know:
>> > > > > >> >> What should I do. Hopefully, the answer isn't:
>> > > > > >> >> Immediately
> buy
>> > two
>> > > > > >> >> new tires, and juck those serviceable mismatched ones.
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Will Honea
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>
>