billy ray

My elder daughter's '88 Cougar had both the dash and ignition switch
failures. My '86 T-Bird had neither.....

Go figure....



"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ECD4F4.35E536FD@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> That slap was delivered by the knee, as the ignition switch falling
> apart was just under the column plastic cover at dash level. Yup
> replaced their switches many times on an '84 and '89 Thunderbirds.
> Ford's problem is still there as my Daughter's '04 van shut off while
> driving down the freeway.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> The same fix (slap) worked for Ford electronic dashboards in the late
>> 80s..

Kate

Thanks Mike,
I'll put that on the top of my list.

Though I only dream of someday getting to play with my TJ as much as you do,
I have still ahd some fun in it this summer. Heck, I've only had it 6 months
and have been remodeling all summer... point is.. I believe in preventitive
maintenance.
Will go buy a new tube of grease and get to stuffing connectors. Thanks for
the advice.

Kate
and an ugly ol white mudball named Ajax


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44ECD066.CE13F302@sympatico.ca...
> Because I take my Jeeps out to play and they do run into or across
> puddles and creeks and rivers and swamps (Have had the Cherokee buried
> up to the lights both front and back in a 'puddle' with muck coming
> through the door speakers, let alone the CJ7), I opened 'every'
> connection I could get my mitts on and stuffed them all full of
> dielectric grease. This keeps the biggest failure cause, corrosion, at
> bay.
>
> Lots of the new connections are just mini computer pins designed to pass
> low current computer signals. These connections get corroded so easy it
> isn't the least bit funny. Look at how many cases to you see posted
> that complain about dead vehicles just after a wash! Or CPS's that
> start to work after unplugging them and plugging them back in which
> scratches a new contact usually or TPS's and shifting issues on
> automatics.
>
> This isn't Jeep only, I worked at a garage just up the road from a car
> was that has pressure washers and we had 'tons' of tow in from there of
> all makes!
>
> Mike
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike and Nick,
>>
>> Do you guys suppose this is something that has been addressed in the
>> newer
>> models?
>>
>> I read so much in this group about bad wiring in the Jeeps that it makes
>> me
>> think I should be looking for things all along or even now to be sure
>> they
>> stay tight.
>>
>> Kate
>> 06 Rubee-Kahn
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44ECC72C.3B407A9@sympatico.ca...
>> > Maybe this recall might help??
>> > ------------------------
>> >
>> > Recall 99V117000: Instrument Panel Ground Screws Loose
>> >
>> > The left side and right side instrument panel wiring ground attachment
>> > screws could loosen over time. If the left side screw loosens, the
>> > instrument panel gauges may not function when the headlamps are turned
>> > on. If the right side screw loosens, the defroster blower motor may
>> > not function.
>> >
>> > Dealers will remove the ground screws, drill a new pilot hole adjacent
>> > to the original hole, and the screws will be reinstalled in the new
>> > holes.
>> >
>> > Owner notification began May 31, 1999. Owners who take their vehicles
>> > to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not
>> > receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact
>> > Chrysler at 1-800-992-1997. Also contact the National Highway Traffic
>> > Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
>> > (1-888-327-4236).
>> > ----------------------------
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Nick ------ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> The service manual indicates that A/C Heater Control, Headlamp Switch
>> >> and Blower Motor relay are all connected to the same ground point
>> >> (G200). A faulty ground connection may explain why these connectors
>> >> are melting.
>> >>
>> >> According to the manual, G200 is located "Left Rear of Instrument
>> >> Panel". This area was leaking in my Jeep, so I will now go check how
>> >> "grounded" that ground really is.
>> >>
>> >> Any other advice also appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Nick

Kate

Thanks Mike,
I'll put that on the top of my list.

Though I only dream of someday getting to play with my TJ as much as you do,
I have still ahd some fun in it this summer. Heck, I've only had it 6 months
and have been remodeling all summer... point is.. I believe in preventitive
maintenance.
Will go buy a new tube of grease and get to stuffing connectors. Thanks for
the advice.

Kate
and an ugly ol white mudball named Ajax


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44ECD066.CE13F302@sympatico.ca...
> Because I take my Jeeps out to play and they do run into or across
> puddles and creeks and rivers and swamps (Have had the Cherokee buried
> up to the lights both front and back in a 'puddle' with muck coming
> through the door speakers, let alone the CJ7), I opened 'every'
> connection I could get my mitts on and stuffed them all full of
> dielectric grease. This keeps the biggest failure cause, corrosion, at
> bay.
>
> Lots of the new connections are just mini computer pins designed to pass
> low current computer signals. These connections get corroded so easy it
> isn't the least bit funny. Look at how many cases to you see posted
> that complain about dead vehicles just after a wash! Or CPS's that
> start to work after unplugging them and plugging them back in which
> scratches a new contact usually or TPS's and shifting issues on
> automatics.
>
> This isn't Jeep only, I worked at a garage just up the road from a car
> was that has pressure washers and we had 'tons' of tow in from there of
> all makes!
>
> Mike
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike and Nick,
>>
>> Do you guys suppose this is something that has been addressed in the
>> newer
>> models?
>>
>> I read so much in this group about bad wiring in the Jeeps that it makes
>> me
>> think I should be looking for things all along or even now to be sure
>> they
>> stay tight.
>>
>> Kate
>> 06 Rubee-Kahn
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44ECC72C.3B407A9@sympatico.ca...
>> > Maybe this recall might help??
>> > ------------------------
>> >
>> > Recall 99V117000: Instrument Panel Ground Screws Loose
>> >
>> > The left side and right side instrument panel wiring ground attachment
>> > screws could loosen over time. If the left side screw loosens, the
>> > instrument panel gauges may not function when the headlamps are turned
>> > on. If the right side screw loosens, the defroster blower motor may
>> > not function.
>> >
>> > Dealers will remove the ground screws, drill a new pilot hole adjacent
>> > to the original hole, and the screws will be reinstalled in the new
>> > holes.
>> >
>> > Owner notification began May 31, 1999. Owners who take their vehicles
>> > to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not
>> > receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact
>> > Chrysler at 1-800-992-1997. Also contact the National Highway Traffic
>> > Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
>> > (1-888-327-4236).
>> > ----------------------------
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Nick ------ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> The service manual indicates that A/C Heater Control, Headlamp Switch
>> >> and Blower Motor relay are all connected to the same ground point
>> >> (G200). A faulty ground connection may explain why these connectors
>> >> are melting.
>> >>
>> >> According to the manual, G200 is located "Left Rear of Instrument
>> >> Panel". This area was leaking in my Jeep, so I will now go check how
>> >> "grounded" that ground really is.
>> >>
>> >> Any other advice also appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Nick

Kate

Thanks Mike,
I'll put that on the top of my list.

Though I only dream of someday getting to play with my TJ as much as you do,
I have still ahd some fun in it this summer. Heck, I've only had it 6 months
and have been remodeling all summer... point is.. I believe in preventitive
maintenance.
Will go buy a new tube of grease and get to stuffing connectors. Thanks for
the advice.

Kate
and an ugly ol white mudball named Ajax


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44ECD066.CE13F302@sympatico.ca...
> Because I take my Jeeps out to play and they do run into or across
> puddles and creeks and rivers and swamps (Have had the Cherokee buried
> up to the lights both front and back in a 'puddle' with muck coming
> through the door speakers, let alone the CJ7), I opened 'every'
> connection I could get my mitts on and stuffed them all full of
> dielectric grease. This keeps the biggest failure cause, corrosion, at
> bay.
>
> Lots of the new connections are just mini computer pins designed to pass
> low current computer signals. These connections get corroded so easy it
> isn't the least bit funny. Look at how many cases to you see posted
> that complain about dead vehicles just after a wash! Or CPS's that
> start to work after unplugging them and plugging them back in which
> scratches a new contact usually or TPS's and shifting issues on
> automatics.
>
> This isn't Jeep only, I worked at a garage just up the road from a car
> was that has pressure washers and we had 'tons' of tow in from there of
> all makes!
>
> Mike
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike and Nick,
>>
>> Do you guys suppose this is something that has been addressed in the
>> newer
>> models?
>>
>> I read so much in this group about bad wiring in the Jeeps that it makes
>> me
>> think I should be looking for things all along or even now to be sure
>> they
>> stay tight.
>>
>> Kate
>> 06 Rubee-Kahn
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44ECC72C.3B407A9@sympatico.ca...
>> > Maybe this recall might help??
>> > ------------------------
>> >
>> > Recall 99V117000: Instrument Panel Ground Screws Loose
>> >
>> > The left side and right side instrument panel wiring ground attachment
>> > screws could loosen over time. If the left side screw loosens, the
>> > instrument panel gauges may not function when the headlamps are turned
>> > on. If the right side screw loosens, the defroster blower motor may
>> > not function.
>> >
>> > Dealers will remove the ground screws, drill a new pilot hole adjacent
>> > to the original hole, and the screws will be reinstalled in the new
>> > holes.
>> >
>> > Owner notification began May 31, 1999. Owners who take their vehicles
>> > to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not
>> > receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact
>> > Chrysler at 1-800-992-1997. Also contact the National Highway Traffic
>> > Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
>> > (1-888-327-4236).
>> > ----------------------------
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Nick ------ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> The service manual indicates that A/C Heater Control, Headlamp Switch
>> >> and Blower Motor relay are all connected to the same ground point
>> >> (G200). A faulty ground connection may explain why these connectors
>> >> are melting.
>> >>
>> >> According to the manual, G200 is located "Left Rear of Instrument
>> >> Panel". This area was leaking in my Jeep, so I will now go check how
>> >> "grounded" that ground really is.
>> >>
>> >> Any other advice also appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Nick

Kate

Thanks Mike,
I'll put that on the top of my list.

Though I only dream of someday getting to play with my TJ as much as you do,
I have still ahd some fun in it this summer. Heck, I've only had it 6 months
and have been remodeling all summer... point is.. I believe in preventitive
maintenance.
Will go buy a new tube of grease and get to stuffing connectors. Thanks for
the advice.

Kate
and an ugly ol white mudball named Ajax


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44ECD066.CE13F302@sympatico.ca...
> Because I take my Jeeps out to play and they do run into or across
> puddles and creeks and rivers and swamps (Have had the Cherokee buried
> up to the lights both front and back in a 'puddle' with muck coming
> through the door speakers, let alone the CJ7), I opened 'every'
> connection I could get my mitts on and stuffed them all full of
> dielectric grease. This keeps the biggest failure cause, corrosion, at
> bay.
>
> Lots of the new connections are just mini computer pins designed to pass
> low current computer signals. These connections get corroded so easy it
> isn't the least bit funny. Look at how many cases to you see posted
> that complain about dead vehicles just after a wash! Or CPS's that
> start to work after unplugging them and plugging them back in which
> scratches a new contact usually or TPS's and shifting issues on
> automatics.
>
> This isn't Jeep only, I worked at a garage just up the road from a car
> was that has pressure washers and we had 'tons' of tow in from there of
> all makes!
>
> Mike
>
> Kate wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mike and Nick,
>>
>> Do you guys suppose this is something that has been addressed in the
>> newer
>> models?
>>
>> I read so much in this group about bad wiring in the Jeeps that it makes
>> me
>> think I should be looking for things all along or even now to be sure
>> they
>> stay tight.
>>
>> Kate
>> 06 Rubee-Kahn
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:44ECC72C.3B407A9@sympatico.ca...
>> > Maybe this recall might help??
>> > ------------------------
>> >
>> > Recall 99V117000: Instrument Panel Ground Screws Loose
>> >
>> > The left side and right side instrument panel wiring ground attachment
>> > screws could loosen over time. If the left side screw loosens, the
>> > instrument panel gauges may not function when the headlamps are turned
>> > on. If the right side screw loosens, the defroster blower motor may
>> > not function.
>> >
>> > Dealers will remove the ground screws, drill a new pilot hole adjacent
>> > to the original hole, and the screws will be reinstalled in the new
>> > holes.
>> >
>> > Owner notification began May 31, 1999. Owners who take their vehicles
>> > to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not
>> > receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact
>> > Chrysler at 1-800-992-1997. Also contact the National Highway Traffic
>> > Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
>> > (1-888-327-4236).
>> > ----------------------------
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Nick ------ wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> The service manual indicates that A/C Heater Control, Headlamp Switch
>> >> and Blower Motor relay are all connected to the same ground point
>> >> (G200). A faulty ground connection may explain why these connectors
>> >> are melting.
>> >>
>> >> According to the manual, G200 is located "Left Rear of Instrument
>> >> Panel". This area was leaking in my Jeep, so I will now go check how
>> >> "grounded" that ground really is.
>> >>
>> >> Any other advice also appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Nick

Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
**snipped**
> For the front, flip it down again and spray it, the seal, with silicone
> spray. This stuff is made for weather-stripping and does amazing things
> for sealing them up. It works really well on doors in the winter too so
> they don't freeze stuck shut.
>
> Mike

There are kinds that work real good to help you get in your wetsuit too :)
K.

Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
**snipped**
> For the front, flip it down again and spray it, the seal, with silicone
> spray. This stuff is made for weather-stripping and does amazing things
> for sealing them up. It works really well on doors in the winter too so
> they don't freeze stuck shut.
>
> Mike

There are kinds that work real good to help you get in your wetsuit too :)
K.

Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
**snipped**
> For the front, flip it down again and spray it, the seal, with silicone
> spray. This stuff is made for weather-stripping and does amazing things
> for sealing them up. It works really well on doors in the winter too so
> they don't freeze stuck shut.
>
> Mike

There are kinds that work real good to help you get in your wetsuit too :)
K.

Kate

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
**snipped**
> For the front, flip it down again and spray it, the seal, with silicone
> spray. This stuff is made for weather-stripping and does amazing things
> for sealing them up. It works really well on doors in the winter too so
> they don't freeze stuck shut.
>
> Mike

There are kinds that work real good to help you get in your wetsuit too :)
K.

billy ray

Ajax is stronger than dirt.


"Kate" <svtkate@spam.filter.selby.ws> wrote in message
news:WbmHg.9810$w7.4318@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Thanks Mike,
> I'll put that on the top of my list.
>
> Though I only dream of someday getting to play with my TJ as much as you
> do, I have still ahd some fun in it this summer. Heck, I've only had it 6
> months and have been remodeling all summer... point is.. I believe in
> preventitive maintenance.
> Will go buy a new tube of grease and get to stuffing connectors. Thanks
> for the advice.
>
> Kate
> and an ugly ol white mudball named Ajax
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:44ECD066.CE13F302@sympatico.ca...
>> Because I take my Jeeps out to play and they do run into or across
>> puddles and creeks and rivers and swamps (Have had the Cherokee buried
>> up to the lights both front and back in a 'puddle' with muck coming
>> through the door speakers, let alone the CJ7), I opened 'every'
>> connection I could get my mitts on and stuffed them all full of
>> dielectric grease. This keeps the biggest failure cause, corrosion, at
>> bay.
>>
>> Lots of the new connections are just mini computer pins designed to pass
>> low current computer signals. These connections get corroded so easy it
>> isn't the least bit funny. Look at how many cases to you see posted
>> that complain about dead vehicles just after a wash! Or CPS's that
>> start to work after unplugging them and plugging them back in which
>> scratches a new contact usually or TPS's and shifting issues on
>> automatics.
>>
>> This isn't Jeep only, I worked at a garage just up the road from a car
>> was that has pressure washers and we had 'tons' of tow in from there of
>> all makes!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Kate wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Mike and Nick,
>>>
>>> Do you guys suppose this is something that has been addressed in the
>>> newer
>>> models?
>>>
>>> I read so much in this group about bad wiring in the Jeeps that it makes
>>> me
>>> think I should be looking for things all along or even now to be sure
>>> they
>>> stay tight.
>>>
>>> Kate
>>> 06 Rubee-Kahn
>>>
>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:44ECC72C.3B407A9@sympatico.ca...
>>> > Maybe this recall might help??
>>> > ------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Recall 99V117000: Instrument Panel Ground Screws Loose
>>> >
>>> > The left side and right side instrument panel wiring ground attachment
>>> > screws could loosen over time. If the left side screw loosens, the
>>> > instrument panel gauges may not function when the headlamps are turned
>>> > on. If the right side screw loosens, the defroster blower motor may
>>> > not function.
>>> >
>>> > Dealers will remove the ground screws, drill a new pilot hole adjacent
>>> > to the original hole, and the screws will be reinstalled in the new
>>> > holes.
>>> >
>>> > Owner notification began May 31, 1999. Owners who take their vehicles
>>> > to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not
>>> > receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact
>>> > Chrysler at 1-800-992-1997. Also contact the National Highway Traffic
>>> > Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT
>>> > (1-888-327-4236).
>>> > ----------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Nick ------ wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> The service manual indicates that A/C Heater Control, Headlamp Switch
>>> >> and Blower Motor relay are all connected to the same ground point
>>> >> (G200). A faulty ground connection may explain why these connectors
>>> >> are melting.
>>> >>
>>> >> According to the manual, G200 is located "Left Rear of Instrument
>>> >> Panel". This area was leaking in my Jeep, so I will now go check how
>>> >> "grounded" that ground really is.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any other advice also appreciated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nick
>
>