K Horner

Not to gloat too much, but this is why I live in California. It got very
cold the other night about 40 degrees. Of course this is ferinheight not
Celsius.

Kevin


"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
news:_ZCdnWCLBaVgLjrcRVn-3g@rogers.com...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41A7A19A.FDC2130A@sympatico.ca...
> : So here I am driving down the main drag in Toronto and hear/feel a
> : strange thump then scraping. Crap I think, there goes the muffler or
> : tailpipe or something. Not loud, hmmm... I pull over and walk back
> : looking at the guy behind me laughing and there is my frame crossmember
> : and stainless bumperette loops laying on the ground..... There was a
> : left over piece if string I used to tie something once holding it on.
> :
>
> And I thought I had a bad day...
> Wed. morning driving home from work at 4 AM I feel my l/f brake grinding
> on
> my van... it had been squealing for a week so I had the forethought to buy
> the parts (thanks Napa for the 40% off 'dealer discount'). So I get home
> and
> it's pretty mild 6*C (42F) and I figure I'll get it done before I go to
> bed.
> Jump out of the van and I hear hissing, my r/r tire is going down.
>
> I go to move my XJ so I can pull the van up to the garage, dead battery.
> Throw the charger on the XJ and drag the floor jack to the end of the
> driveway to the van.
>
> I get to the point of no return in the brake job, calliper off, brake line
> off, rotor off and I feel a very cold rain drop on the back of my neck.
> ^#$%$!!!!
>
> The temp. dropped quick! I re-packed the bearings in slow motion waiting
> for
> the rain to let up... no such luck. By 5:30 AM, my wife was standing over
> me
> with an umbrella while I reassembled the brakes. Bled them and went to
> bed... maybe it will stop raining by the time I get up to change the
> tire...
> nope. Waited until the last possible moment before work to change it.....
> lower the spare down from underneath the van and the hanger is rusted to
> the
> friggin' rim. &%$%$%$!!!!
>
> Went into work soaked... by the time I dried off, I had to get out of the
> truck again to get soaked... this happed four more times (rinse and
> repeat?). Get back to the yard only to find I left the interior lights on
> in
> the van. It won't start. Waited for the day shift to come in to get a
> boost... in the rain.
>
> -Brian
>
>

Cherokee-LTD

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
: Not to gloat too much, but this is why I live in California. It got very
: cold the other night about 40 degrees. Of course this is ferinheight not
: Celsius.
:
: Kevin
:

Gloat?

Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

-Brian

Cherokee-LTD

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
: Not to gloat too much, but this is why I live in California. It got very
: cold the other night about 40 degrees. Of course this is ferinheight not
: Celsius.
:
: Kevin
:

Gloat?

Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

-Brian

Cherokee-LTD

"K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
: Not to gloat too much, but this is why I live in California. It got very
: cold the other night about 40 degrees. Of course this is ferinheight not
: Celsius.
:
: Kevin
:

Gloat?

Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

-Brian

Dave Milne

My friend lives in AZ - he is only allowed to work in the garage or the
resident's association ***** get upset. They have a manual 170 pages long of
what you are not allowed to do. If you drive around his area it is like a
ghost town - neat front garden's, nothing on the street and no people !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
> Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
> Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

Dave Milne

My friend lives in AZ - he is only allowed to work in the garage or the
resident's association ***** get upset. They have a manual 170 pages long of
what you are not allowed to do. If you drive around his area it is like a
ghost town - neat front garden's, nothing on the street and no people !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
> Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
> Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

Dave Milne

My friend lives in AZ - he is only allowed to work in the garage or the
resident's association ***** get upset. They have a manual 170 pages long of
what you are not allowed to do. If you drive around his area it is like a
ghost town - neat front garden's, nothing on the street and no people !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

> "K Horner" <k@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:TKQpd.102184$5K2.84643@attbi_s03...
> Hell, I'd take winter all year long over forest fires, smog ***** and
> Ah-nold. I just wish I could work in my garage!

griffin

When you decide to do a frame job, you should drive down here and do mine at
the same time. ;p Mine's no where near that bad but when I was taking my
rear seat out I took a good look at the frame rails and all the common
"spots" for mud entrapment. I'm pretty sure within 5 years I'll be doing a
tear-down. I'm actually thinking of saving up for the time when my engine
decides to die. I might just do a complete rebuild with the following:
350 V8 w/ new transmission
Fuel Injection
Locking diffs front and rear
Fiberglass tub
Reinforced and "cleaned" frame with PROPER front and rear bumpers and tow
hook placement.

I'll probably be looking at about a $6000-7000 CDN hit for that job and
about an entire year of working on it but it'll be a pretty nice beast when
it's done. Then I'll go buy one of those "Jeeps are built, not bought"
stickers ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41A7C2B7.3BB07335@sympatico.ca...
> Mud and dirt is the big issue I think Bill.
>
> When I tore down the Jeep for the 'glass body job, it took 2 days to
> hose all the mud out of the frame. That stuff holds water and worse
> salty water in the winter.
>
> I wonder if I should replace the frame tail pieces with C channel
> instead of the square tubing I was thinking of? Thinking about it, naw,
> there isn't enough left to do a decent C channel job I don't think.
>
> Is that frame all C channel with big assed rivets in the corners? If so
> can it twist up like mine without tearing off cross members? My front
> one broke too, that big wide one. All that is holding the front rails
> is the warn winch mount.
>
> Man do I ever need a new frame..... :-(
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Real Jeeps use open channel frames like the eighteen wheelers, that
> > never catch water and rust out:
> > http://www.----------.com/realJeepFrame.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > So here I am driving down the main drag in Toronto and hear/feel a
> > > strange thump then scraping. Crap I think, there goes the muffler or
> > > tailpipe or something. Not loud, hmmm... I pull over and walk back
> > > looking at the guy behind me laughing and there is my frame
crossmember
> > > and stainless bumperette loops laying on the ground..... There was a
> > > left over piece if string I used to tie something once holding it on.
> > >
> > > Ouch!
> > >
> > > I knew it was getting ratty when my gas tank skid plate fell off a
while
> > > back but was hoping to get the winter out of it.
> > >
> > > My kid just came in laughing and asked what was holding the back
springs
> > > on. I can't figure that out either, they are sorta just hanging there
> > > on a cob web of rust....
> > >
> > > I have the gas tank hung off the body as it is via a couple big eye
> > > hooks through the floor and cargo straps.
> > >
> > > Oh well, I guess it is time to get some square tubing and cover the
> > > frame tails and anchor the spring shackles and a new C channel
> > > crossmember to them. Then to get a gas tank skid plate.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if a YJ 20 gallon skid plate will fit a cj 20 gallon tank?
> > >
> > > Meanwhile some bailing wire keeps it 'looking' like it belongs
> > > there.....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

griffin

When you decide to do a frame job, you should drive down here and do mine at
the same time. ;p Mine's no where near that bad but when I was taking my
rear seat out I took a good look at the frame rails and all the common
"spots" for mud entrapment. I'm pretty sure within 5 years I'll be doing a
tear-down. I'm actually thinking of saving up for the time when my engine
decides to die. I might just do a complete rebuild with the following:
350 V8 w/ new transmission
Fuel Injection
Locking diffs front and rear
Fiberglass tub
Reinforced and "cleaned" frame with PROPER front and rear bumpers and tow
hook placement.

I'll probably be looking at about a $6000-7000 CDN hit for that job and
about an entire year of working on it but it'll be a pretty nice beast when
it's done. Then I'll go buy one of those "Jeeps are built, not bought"
stickers ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41A7C2B7.3BB07335@sympatico.ca...
> Mud and dirt is the big issue I think Bill.
>
> When I tore down the Jeep for the 'glass body job, it took 2 days to
> hose all the mud out of the frame. That stuff holds water and worse
> salty water in the winter.
>
> I wonder if I should replace the frame tail pieces with C channel
> instead of the square tubing I was thinking of? Thinking about it, naw,
> there isn't enough left to do a decent C channel job I don't think.
>
> Is that frame all C channel with big assed rivets in the corners? If so
> can it twist up like mine without tearing off cross members? My front
> one broke too, that big wide one. All that is holding the front rails
> is the warn winch mount.
>
> Man do I ever need a new frame..... :-(
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Real Jeeps use open channel frames like the eighteen wheelers, that
> > never catch water and rust out:
> > http://www.----------.com/realJeepFrame.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > So here I am driving down the main drag in Toronto and hear/feel a
> > > strange thump then scraping. Crap I think, there goes the muffler or
> > > tailpipe or something. Not loud, hmmm... I pull over and walk back
> > > looking at the guy behind me laughing and there is my frame
crossmember
> > > and stainless bumperette loops laying on the ground..... There was a
> > > left over piece if string I used to tie something once holding it on.
> > >
> > > Ouch!
> > >
> > > I knew it was getting ratty when my gas tank skid plate fell off a
while
> > > back but was hoping to get the winter out of it.
> > >
> > > My kid just came in laughing and asked what was holding the back
springs
> > > on. I can't figure that out either, they are sorta just hanging there
> > > on a cob web of rust....
> > >
> > > I have the gas tank hung off the body as it is via a couple big eye
> > > hooks through the floor and cargo straps.
> > >
> > > Oh well, I guess it is time to get some square tubing and cover the
> > > frame tails and anchor the spring shackles and a new C channel
> > > crossmember to them. Then to get a gas tank skid plate.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if a YJ 20 gallon skid plate will fit a cj 20 gallon tank?
> > >
> > > Meanwhile some bailing wire keeps it 'looking' like it belongs
> > > there.....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

griffin

When you decide to do a frame job, you should drive down here and do mine at
the same time. ;p Mine's no where near that bad but when I was taking my
rear seat out I took a good look at the frame rails and all the common
"spots" for mud entrapment. I'm pretty sure within 5 years I'll be doing a
tear-down. I'm actually thinking of saving up for the time when my engine
decides to die. I might just do a complete rebuild with the following:
350 V8 w/ new transmission
Fuel Injection
Locking diffs front and rear
Fiberglass tub
Reinforced and "cleaned" frame with PROPER front and rear bumpers and tow
hook placement.

I'll probably be looking at about a $6000-7000 CDN hit for that job and
about an entire year of working on it but it'll be a pretty nice beast when
it's done. Then I'll go buy one of those "Jeeps are built, not bought"
stickers ;p

--
griffin
'85 Jeep CJ-7
'97 Toyota Corolla SD

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41A7C2B7.3BB07335@sympatico.ca...
> Mud and dirt is the big issue I think Bill.
>
> When I tore down the Jeep for the 'glass body job, it took 2 days to
> hose all the mud out of the frame. That stuff holds water and worse
> salty water in the winter.
>
> I wonder if I should replace the frame tail pieces with C channel
> instead of the square tubing I was thinking of? Thinking about it, naw,
> there isn't enough left to do a decent C channel job I don't think.
>
> Is that frame all C channel with big assed rivets in the corners? If so
> can it twist up like mine without tearing off cross members? My front
> one broke too, that big wide one. All that is holding the front rails
> is the warn winch mount.
>
> Man do I ever need a new frame..... :-(
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Real Jeeps use open channel frames like the eighteen wheelers, that
> > never catch water and rust out:
> > http://www.----------.com/realJeepFrame.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > So here I am driving down the main drag in Toronto and hear/feel a
> > > strange thump then scraping. Crap I think, there goes the muffler or
> > > tailpipe or something. Not loud, hmmm... I pull over and walk back
> > > looking at the guy behind me laughing and there is my frame
crossmember
> > > and stainless bumperette loops laying on the ground..... There was a
> > > left over piece if string I used to tie something once holding it on.
> > >
> > > Ouch!
> > >
> > > I knew it was getting ratty when my gas tank skid plate fell off a
while
> > > back but was hoping to get the winter out of it.
> > >
> > > My kid just came in laughing and asked what was holding the back
springs
> > > on. I can't figure that out either, they are sorta just hanging there
> > > on a cob web of rust....
> > >
> > > I have the gas tank hung off the body as it is via a couple big eye
> > > hooks through the floor and cargo straps.
> > >
> > > Oh well, I guess it is time to get some square tubing and cover the
> > > frame tails and anchor the spring shackles and a new C channel
> > > crossmember to them. Then to get a gas tank skid plate.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if a YJ 20 gallon skid plate will fit a cj 20 gallon tank?
> > >
> > > Meanwhile some bailing wire keeps it 'looking' like it belongs
> > > there.....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's