Lon

The Jag 3.8 S had a somewhat similar failure mode that would have
spawned massive lawsuits today. Took a used one on a test drive and
as soon as it warmed up it headed for the redline--which is a bit
more of a pucker factor in a Jag than in an MG.

Never used oil in my 'B, stretched the springs and ran ATF in them.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:

> Yup, that's what that plastic screw thingie was for, to unscrew and
> top off with oil, with every lube job. I took a job to start an old MG,
> one of the sleeves was stuck wide open, and I didn't know it until after
> I squirted it with starting fluid and cranked it. Must of done ten grand
> for ten seconds, with the ignition off. Fortunately she tuned up
> perfect, without any extra knocks.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

Howard Eisenhauer

*Blush*

I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.



But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).

H.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:54:32 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

>Howard, I don't know what they're looking at, but the M-151 I drove back
>in '66 had independent suspension, like:
>http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military...ry/muttdrw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bill, sorry to take so long getting back to this, had to do a
>> little reaserch :).
>>
>> First off, I did see the website you posted. I'd have to say I'm a
>> little leary about *Thier* accuracy. The part where they say the
>> original developement contract was let out in 1950 as a replacement
>> was required for the M38A1 seems a little suspect as the A1 didn't
>> enter service until '52-'53 somwheres. I do seem to recall that the
>> 151's were unibody construction, certainly the one we had in our unit
>> when I was in the military had a pronounced bend in the middle from
>> someone getting a little too enthusiastic about jumping a ditch with
>> it :). Can't see that it would look quite the way it did with
>> body-on-frame construction. Here's a picture of one from underneath,
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/muttguru/a2lc-f.JPG
>>
>> Now I did contact my wife's second cousin's husband about all this as
>> he owns a 151A2 that he's in the process of restoring. Just for the
>> record he's a machinst working for Pratt & Whitney where he earns a
>> living turning hunks of titanium into PT6 turbine wheels, so I'm
>> assuming he knows the difference between titanium, aluminum & steel.
>> He tells me he's heard that some all aluminum 151s were built for
>> airborne use (or maybe he's thinking of the Mighty Mite
>> http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/module...article&sid=69
>> ) but the vast majority were built of steel, certainly not titanium.
>> His certainly makes an excellant storage system for refrigerator
>> magnets ;>.
>>
>> For the engine, his is definately a Ford. A couple of web pages list
>> two other engines (maybe earlier versions?), a Continental with a
>> downdraft carb & a Hercules with the side draft. I can't comment on
>> the carb in the picture as I have no experience with British or other
>> european carbs. but doing a Google on M151+carburetor brings back
>> links that seem to idicate the carbs are Zeniths. Yup, it looks
>> strange alright, but to me so does the right angle doo-hickey one on
>> the M38A1. Maybe the Mutt uses a British Ford engine (Cosworth
>> Mutt?!? WOOHOO!!!) but I'm suspecting the reason it looks funny is
>> the design requirement for it not to leak water inside whilst
>> submerged :(.
>>
>> Commnets?
>>
>> H.

Howard Eisenhauer

*Blush*

I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.



But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).

H.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:54:32 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

>Howard, I don't know what they're looking at, but the M-151 I drove back
>in '66 had independent suspension, like:
>http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military...ry/muttdrw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bill, sorry to take so long getting back to this, had to do a
>> little reaserch :).
>>
>> First off, I did see the website you posted. I'd have to say I'm a
>> little leary about *Thier* accuracy. The part where they say the
>> original developement contract was let out in 1950 as a replacement
>> was required for the M38A1 seems a little suspect as the A1 didn't
>> enter service until '52-'53 somwheres. I do seem to recall that the
>> 151's were unibody construction, certainly the one we had in our unit
>> when I was in the military had a pronounced bend in the middle from
>> someone getting a little too enthusiastic about jumping a ditch with
>> it :). Can't see that it would look quite the way it did with
>> body-on-frame construction. Here's a picture of one from underneath,
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/muttguru/a2lc-f.JPG
>>
>> Now I did contact my wife's second cousin's husband about all this as
>> he owns a 151A2 that he's in the process of restoring. Just for the
>> record he's a machinst working for Pratt & Whitney where he earns a
>> living turning hunks of titanium into PT6 turbine wheels, so I'm
>> assuming he knows the difference between titanium, aluminum & steel.
>> He tells me he's heard that some all aluminum 151s were built for
>> airborne use (or maybe he's thinking of the Mighty Mite
>> http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/module...article&sid=69
>> ) but the vast majority were built of steel, certainly not titanium.
>> His certainly makes an excellant storage system for refrigerator
>> magnets ;>.
>>
>> For the engine, his is definately a Ford. A couple of web pages list
>> two other engines (maybe earlier versions?), a Continental with a
>> downdraft carb & a Hercules with the side draft. I can't comment on
>> the carb in the picture as I have no experience with British or other
>> european carbs. but doing a Google on M151+carburetor brings back
>> links that seem to idicate the carbs are Zeniths. Yup, it looks
>> strange alright, but to me so does the right angle doo-hickey one on
>> the M38A1. Maybe the Mutt uses a British Ford engine (Cosworth
>> Mutt?!? WOOHOO!!!) but I'm suspecting the reason it looks funny is
>> the design requirement for it not to leak water inside whilst
>> submerged :(.
>>
>> Commnets?
>>
>> H.

Howard Eisenhauer

*Blush*

I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.



But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).

H.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:54:32 -0800, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

>Howard, I don't know what they're looking at, but the M-151 I drove back
>in '66 had independent suspension, like:
>http://www.m151.uklinux.net/military...ry/muttdrw.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bill, sorry to take so long getting back to this, had to do a
>> little reaserch :).
>>
>> First off, I did see the website you posted. I'd have to say I'm a
>> little leary about *Thier* accuracy. The part where they say the
>> original developement contract was let out in 1950 as a replacement
>> was required for the M38A1 seems a little suspect as the A1 didn't
>> enter service until '52-'53 somwheres. I do seem to recall that the
>> 151's were unibody construction, certainly the one we had in our unit
>> when I was in the military had a pronounced bend in the middle from
>> someone getting a little too enthusiastic about jumping a ditch with
>> it :). Can't see that it would look quite the way it did with
>> body-on-frame construction. Here's a picture of one from underneath,
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/muttguru/a2lc-f.JPG
>>
>> Now I did contact my wife's second cousin's husband about all this as
>> he owns a 151A2 that he's in the process of restoring. Just for the
>> record he's a machinst working for Pratt & Whitney where he earns a
>> living turning hunks of titanium into PT6 turbine wheels, so I'm
>> assuming he knows the difference between titanium, aluminum & steel.
>> He tells me he's heard that some all aluminum 151s were built for
>> airborne use (or maybe he's thinking of the Mighty Mite
>> http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/module...article&sid=69
>> ) but the vast majority were built of steel, certainly not titanium.
>> His certainly makes an excellant storage system for refrigerator
>> magnets ;>.
>>
>> For the engine, his is definately a Ford. A couple of web pages list
>> two other engines (maybe earlier versions?), a Continental with a
>> downdraft carb & a Hercules with the side draft. I can't comment on
>> the carb in the picture as I have no experience with British or other
>> european carbs. but doing a Google on M151+carburetor brings back
>> links that seem to idicate the carbs are Zeniths. Yup, it looks
>> strange alright, but to me so does the right angle doo-hickey one on
>> the M38A1. Maybe the Mutt uses a British Ford engine (Cosworth
>> Mutt?!? WOOHOO!!!) but I'm suspecting the reason it looks funny is
>> the design requirement for it not to leak water inside whilst
>> submerged :(.
>>
>> Commnets?
>>
>> H.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Howard,
I was just told they were titanium, while I drove one, I was unable
to find anything stating that they were anything, but all aluminum, and
were especially made to jump with, hence the axle hub loops.
I think I may have though you for a loop, when my dyslexia wrote
Mutt, instead of M-151 and as usual dyslexia won't allow me to see it on
proof read, usually they add a little malapropism.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>
> *Blush*
>
> I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
> in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
> course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
> that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
> as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
> they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.
>
> But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).
>
> H.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Howard,
I was just told they were titanium, while I drove one, I was unable
to find anything stating that they were anything, but all aluminum, and
were especially made to jump with, hence the axle hub loops.
I think I may have though you for a loop, when my dyslexia wrote
Mutt, instead of M-151 and as usual dyslexia won't allow me to see it on
proof read, usually they add a little malapropism.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>
> *Blush*
>
> I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
> in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
> course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
> that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
> as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
> they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.
>
> But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).
>
> H.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Howard,
I was just told they were titanium, while I drove one, I was unable
to find anything stating that they were anything, but all aluminum, and
were especially made to jump with, hence the axle hub loops.
I think I may have though you for a loop, when my dyslexia wrote
Mutt, instead of M-151 and as usual dyslexia won't allow me to see it on
proof read, usually they add a little malapropism.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Howard Eisenhauer wrote:
>
> *Blush*
>
> I hate to say it but I never even noticed some body had snuck an axle
> in there! I was fixating on the frame, or lack of :(. You are of
> course absoulutely correct about the independant suspension. Turns out
> that the photo in the link was of a one-off prototype that was built
> as a possible cure for handling problems of the first two versions,
> they decided to go with the trailing arms instead on the A2s.
>
> But I still don't think they had any titanium in'em :).
>
> H.