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Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
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