Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Alright, here goes:

Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
job...but the fronts are not going to fly.

So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.

Thanks for your advice,

Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are
driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ.

Carl



"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon
>

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are
driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ.

Carl



"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon
>

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are
driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ.

Carl



"Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon
>

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jon wrote:
>
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jon wrote:
>
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jon wrote:
>
> Alright, here goes:
>
> Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
>
> So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:

'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I
thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing
so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts
together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of
things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring
factor.

The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this
compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you
get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a
softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers
and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the
stockers sagged out.

Thanks again for your input!

Jon



Mike Romain wrote:
> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
> lifted vehicle to have movement.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jon wrote:
> >
> > Alright, here goes:
> >
> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
> >
> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
> >
> > Thanks for your advice,
> >
> > Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:

'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I
thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing
so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts
together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of
things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring
factor.

The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this
compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you
get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a
softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers
and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the
stockers sagged out.

Thanks again for your input!

Jon



Mike Romain wrote:
> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
> lifted vehicle to have movement.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jon wrote:
> >
> > Alright, here goes:
> >
> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
> >
> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
> >
> > Thanks for your advice,
> >
> > Jon

Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
 

Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:

'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I
thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing
so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts
together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of
things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring
factor.

The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this
compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you
get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a
softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers
and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the
stockers sagged out.

Thanks again for your input!

Jon



Mike Romain wrote:
> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
> lifted vehicle to have movement.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jon wrote:
> >
> > Alright, here goes:
> >
> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back ---
> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and
> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts --
> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's
> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy
> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate
> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but
> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more
> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the
> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly.
> >
> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in
> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and
> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to
> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes
> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more
> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift
> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move.
> >
> > Thanks for your advice,
> >
> > Jon