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Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Alright, here goes:
Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the job...but the fronts are not going to fly. So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. Thanks for your advice, Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon, what are you driving? Your best bet will probably be to go back to the
stock springs in the front, with a 2" coil spring spacer, assuming you are driving an XJ, ZJ, or TJ. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168135146.737431.284930@s34g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a
lifted vehicle to have movement. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Alright, here goes: > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:
'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring factor. The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the stockers sagged out. Thanks again for your input! Jon Mike Romain wrote: > What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > lifted vehicle to have movement. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Alright, here goes: > > > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:
'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring factor. The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the stockers sagged out. Thanks again for your input! Jon Mike Romain wrote: > What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > lifted vehicle to have movement. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Alright, here goes: > > > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Oops, I have a tendancy to do that:
'97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring factor. The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the stockers sagged out. Thanks again for your input! Jon Mike Romain wrote: > What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > lifted vehicle to have movement. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Alright, here goes: > > > > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Jon |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon,
I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have upgraded thier springs. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > factor. > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > stockers sagged out. > > Thanks again for your input! > > Jon > > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > >> > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon,
I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have upgraded thier springs. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > factor. > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > stockers sagged out. > > Thanks again for your input! > > Jon > > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > >> > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Jon,
I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have upgraded thier springs. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > factor. > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > stockers sagged out. > > Thanks again for your input! > > Jon > > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > >> > Jon > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with
specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. Jon Carl wrote: > Jon, > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > upgraded thier springs. > > Carl > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > factor. > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > stockers sagged out. > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> Jon wrote: > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > >> > > >> > Jon > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with
specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. Jon Carl wrote: > Jon, > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > upgraded thier springs. > > Carl > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > factor. > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > stockers sagged out. > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> Jon wrote: > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > >> > > >> > Jon > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with
specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. Jon Carl wrote: > Jon, > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > upgraded thier springs. > > Carl > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > factor. > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > stockers sagged out. > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > >> > >> Mike > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > >> > >> Jon wrote: > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > >> > > >> > Jon > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before
thinking I wasted my money and time.... Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > Jon > > Carl wrote: > > Jon, > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > factor. > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> > > >> Jon wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > >> > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > >> > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > >> > > > >> > Jon > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before
thinking I wasted my money and time.... Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > Jon > > Carl wrote: > > Jon, > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > factor. > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> > > >> Jon wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > >> > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > >> > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > >> > > > >> > Jon > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Need Help to Fix
I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before
thinking I wasted my money and time.... Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jon wrote: > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > Jon > > Carl wrote: > > Jon, > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > factor. > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > >> > > >> Jon wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > >> > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > >> > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > >> > > > >> > Jon > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole
shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my experience from. So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. Jon Mike Romain wrote: > I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before > thinking I wasted my money and time.... > > Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in > a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Jon wrote: > > > > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with > > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. > > > > Jon > > > > Carl wrote: > > > Jon, > > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory springs > > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the ride is > > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who have > > > upgraded thier springs. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: > > > > > > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I > > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in doing > > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts > > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side of > > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring > > > > factor. > > > > > > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- this > > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts you > > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to get a > > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of spacers > > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the > > > > stockers sagged out. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for your input! > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote: > > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a > > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > > > >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > > >> > > > >> Jon wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Alright, here goes: > > > >> > > > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while back --- > > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed series, and > > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller lifts -- > > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. So it's > > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of lousy > > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to accommodate > > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., but > > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little more > > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do the > > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. > > > >> > > > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & experience in > > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and > > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local shop to > > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- sometimes > > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's more > > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short wheelbase/short lift > > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks for your advice, > > > >> > > > > >> > Jon > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
Re: Lousy Lift: Follow-Up
Jon,
Let us know how you like the set you get. Carl "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1168800053.723954.145390@q2g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > Well, here it is: I gave much thought and research to the whole > shebang, and I realized that I was in foreign territory with a light > 4x4 --- a far cry from the heavy trucks and motorcycles that I pull my > experience from. > > So after a few phone calls and a pile of searches, I found that the > Rusty's 2" lift springs are 150 lb/in (front), and that the highly > reviewed and recommended OME's come in at 140 lb/in -- not enough of a > difference to affect the ride I'm looking for. Mike deserves credit > for making me look more carefully at the problem before rushing out to > buy the softest rate springs I could find. A quick test run with the > shocks on the soft setting (read:out) confirmed his suspicions. > > So for what the springs need to do, the rates from Rusty's are fine; > his shocks are damped far too stiffly to allow easy travel, so a > quality set of adjustable shocks is the order of the day. > > Thanks again for everybody's viewpoints. > > Jon > > Mike Romain wrote: >> I sure would drop the shocks to the 'soft' side and try it before >> thinking I wasted my money and time.... >> >> Hard shocks on an off road Jeep can literally rattle fillings out and in >> a CJ's case call strongly for the use of a kidney belt... >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jon wrote: >> > >> > Ok, fellas, thanks for your advice -- I'll post follow up material with >> > specs on the springs that I install in a week or two. >> > >> > Jon >> > >> > Carl wrote: >> > > Jon, >> > > I suppose your best bet would be to get a set of Rubicon factory >> > > springs >> > > and 1 or 2" spacers. Rubicon springs give about 1" of lift, and the >> > > ride is >> > > very nice. They are widely availible for pretty cheap from people who >> > > have >> > > upgraded thier springs. >> > > >> > > Carl >> > > >> > > >> > > "Jon" <jongoddard@gmail.com> wrote in message >> > > news:1168147020.077843.66550@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> > > > Oops, I have a tendancy to do that: >> > > > >> > > > '97 TJ. The Rusty's 2" Spring kit comes with springs and shocks, I >> > > > thought I was making a better choice to maintain wheel travel in >> > > > doing >> > > > so, now I'm not so sure a bomb blast would bottom out the fronts >> > > > together. For the record, the shocks are damped on the stiff side >> > > > of >> > > > things, but from off-road experience this is definitely a spring >> > > > factor. >> > > > >> > > > The kit gives well over 2" of lift even after a month of use -- >> > > > this >> > > > compared to a neighbor's '04. I understand that with bigger lifts >> > > > you >> > > > get more room for longer and softer springs, but I was hoping to >> > > > get a >> > > > softer than stock rate -- I'd suck it up and go with a pair of >> > > > spacers >> > > > and extended bump stops, but I have to buy springs anyhow, as the >> > > > stockers sagged out. >> > > > >> > > > Thanks again for your input! >> > > > >> > > > Jon >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Mike Romain wrote: >> > > >> What shocks did you put in it? You need extra travel shocks for a >> > > >> lifted vehicle to have movement. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mike >> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> > > >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> > > >> Jan/06 >> > > >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> > > >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> > > >> >> > > >> Jon wrote: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Alright, here goes: >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Purchased and installed a Rusty's 2" Spring Lift a short while >> > > >> > back --- >> > > >> > I was impressed with their development with the JeepSpeed >> > > >> > series, and >> > > >> > thought that the same logic would carry down to the smaller >> > > >> > lifts -- >> > > >> > despite not getting the firm data I wanted prior to purchase. >> > > >> > So it's >> > > >> > not quite there: the springs are stiff enough to remind me of >> > > >> > lousy >> > > >> > leaf kits in earlier Wranglers. Perhaps it's done to >> > > >> > accommodate >> > > >> > racks, bumpers, equipment, winches, skidplates, etc. etc. etc., >> > > >> > but >> > > >> > this was supposed to be a simple little lift to get me a little >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > clearance in the desert -- the damping and rear springs will do >> > > >> > the >> > > >> > job...but the fronts are not going to fly. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > So I'm trying to appeal to those with more knowledge & >> > > >> > experience in >> > > >> > helping select a pair properly spec'd springs for length and >> > > >> > rate....otherwise I'm popping one out and going to the local >> > > >> > shop to >> > > >> > measure the rate. I need to get some suspension movement -- >> > > >> > sometimes >> > > >> > I've got to cover 30 miles of washboard roads, sometimes it's >> > > >> > more >> > > >> > whooped-out. I don't expect miracles from a short >> > > >> > wheelbase/short lift >> > > >> > vehicle -- I just need the suspension to move. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Thanks for your advice, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Jon >> > > > > |
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