Perhaps the chief needs some free welding in exchange for jeepin'
rights..... or an envelope full of cash



"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
>> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> thats sorta redundant. my experience with indian reservations is that
> anything can be had if you have money in your hand. id bet you could go
> out on the crow rez here south of billings and shoot an eagle for the
> right amount of money.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

Yes, we've talked to the indians. Several times. There are indians that
don't live on the reservation, but for some reason they are allowed to sit
on the council. They are not friendly to the offroad community. If they ever
get voted off of the council, we'll have a chance to get back in.





"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>
> have any of you gone directly to the tribal agencies that made the
> decision to close it? perhaps a well thought out plan that provides both
> trail conservation and generates tribal revenue could make a difference.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

Yes, we've talked to the indians. Several times. There are indians that
don't live on the reservation, but for some reason they are allowed to sit
on the council. They are not friendly to the offroad community. If they ever
get voted off of the council, we'll have a chance to get back in.





"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:%9Zkf.5$Xy6.93@news.uswest.net...
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>
> have any of you gone directly to the tribal agencies that made the
> decision to close it? perhaps a well thought out plan that provides both
> trail conservation and generates tribal revenue could make a difference.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

Yes, we've talked to the indians. Several times. There are indians that
don't live on the reservation, but for some reason they are allowed to sit
on the council. They are not friendly to the offroad community. If they ever
get voted off of the council, we'll have a chance to get back in.





"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:%9Zkf.5$Xy6.93@news.uswest.net...
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>
> have any of you gone directly to the tribal agencies that made the
> decision to close it? perhaps a well thought out plan that provides both
> trail conservation and generates tribal revenue could make a difference.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

I wasn't aware that they had plans to create riding areas for the tribal
kids, the plan I heard was that they were going to court the equestrain
community instead of the offroad community. It's really that simple.

I've also heard that the greenies had been in there with the claim that the
run-off pollutes the Salton Sea, but the sea is 30 some odd miles away
across extremely parched desert, and there isn't a drop that flows from the
reservation to the sea without being filtered by several million rocks.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
> The excuse for closing sounds phony to me. You won't get any appreciable
> regrowth over the Jeepin' trails in two years.
>
> There may be something to horseback riding but not for Indian children.
> The proposed Riding Center is probably going to be designed with yuppettes
> in mind as clientele.
>
> As for the vandalization...... I imagine the wealth is NOT being shared.
> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> "Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:m53lf.1937$Kg5.1885@trndny06...
>> Sad News. I used to love going out there. Another one for the list that
>> went the way of Coyote Canyon trail in the Anza Borrego. Remember that
>> trail, Noce run. Not a challenge but man it was really beautiful.
>>
>> --
>> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
>> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
>> bunch more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lBJkf.37$Aq6.1568@news.uswest.net...
>>>>
>>>>> a user of one of my forums attempted to wheel at los coyotes and sent
>>>>> me this information. i dont know if any of it has been posted before
>>>>> and i cannot verify any of it, but wanted to pass it along.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nathan ,
>>>>> I finally got ahold of an Indian & was told that they were closed for
>>>>> good to off-roading so that they could have some regrowth to
>>>>> accomidate 2 years in the future when they will serve as a horse
>>>>> riding camp .
>>>>>
>>>>> The littering thing is -------- . I was told by a Warner Springs
>>>>> Fireman that casino money & Indians stealing from thier own is the
>>>>> real reason for the closure .sad sad sad ! About 10 years ago when
>>>>> they built new restrooms @ the campground the local indians
>>>>> immediately stole the copper pipes & thats why they never worked .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've heard the same story about the restroom pipes.
>>>>
>>>> I've also heard the stories about becoming a horse riding mecca. I
>>>> haven't heard anything about littering, per se, but a few years ago in
>>>> the midst of a pretty large fire, some idiot camped and built a
>>>> campfire in an illegal and very stupid spot, THEN got up the next
>>>> moring and left the fire smoldering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Bransford
>>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>
>

 

I wasn't aware that they had plans to create riding areas for the tribal
kids, the plan I heard was that they were going to court the equestrain
community instead of the offroad community. It's really that simple.

I've also heard that the greenies had been in there with the claim that the
run-off pollutes the Salton Sea, but the sea is 30 some odd miles away
across extremely parched desert, and there isn't a drop that flows from the
reservation to the sea without being filtered by several million rocks.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
> The excuse for closing sounds phony to me. You won't get any appreciable
> regrowth over the Jeepin' trails in two years.
>
> There may be something to horseback riding but not for Indian children.
> The proposed Riding Center is probably going to be designed with yuppettes
> in mind as clientele.
>
> As for the vandalization...... I imagine the wealth is NOT being shared.
> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> "Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:m53lf.1937$Kg5.1885@trndny06...
>> Sad News. I used to love going out there. Another one for the list that
>> went the way of Coyote Canyon trail in the Anza Borrego. Remember that
>> trail, Noce run. Not a challenge but man it was really beautiful.
>>
>> --
>> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
>> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
>> bunch more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lBJkf.37$Aq6.1568@news.uswest.net...
>>>>
>>>>> a user of one of my forums attempted to wheel at los coyotes and sent
>>>>> me this information. i dont know if any of it has been posted before
>>>>> and i cannot verify any of it, but wanted to pass it along.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nathan ,
>>>>> I finally got ahold of an Indian & was told that they were closed for
>>>>> good to off-roading so that they could have some regrowth to
>>>>> accomidate 2 years in the future when they will serve as a horse
>>>>> riding camp .
>>>>>
>>>>> The littering thing is -------- . I was told by a Warner Springs
>>>>> Fireman that casino money & Indians stealing from thier own is the
>>>>> real reason for the closure .sad sad sad ! About 10 years ago when
>>>>> they built new restrooms @ the campground the local indians
>>>>> immediately stole the copper pipes & thats why they never worked .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've heard the same story about the restroom pipes.
>>>>
>>>> I've also heard the stories about becoming a horse riding mecca. I
>>>> haven't heard anything about littering, per se, but a few years ago in
>>>> the midst of a pretty large fire, some idiot camped and built a
>>>> campfire in an illegal and very stupid spot, THEN got up the next
>>>> moring and left the fire smoldering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Bransford
>>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>
>

 

I wasn't aware that they had plans to create riding areas for the tribal
kids, the plan I heard was that they were going to court the equestrain
community instead of the offroad community. It's really that simple.

I've also heard that the greenies had been in there with the claim that the
run-off pollutes the Salton Sea, but the sea is 30 some odd miles away
across extremely parched desert, and there isn't a drop that flows from the
reservation to the sea without being filtered by several million rocks.




"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
> The excuse for closing sounds phony to me. You won't get any appreciable
> regrowth over the Jeepin' trails in two years.
>
> There may be something to horseback riding but not for Indian children.
> The proposed Riding Center is probably going to be designed with yuppettes
> in mind as clientele.
>
> As for the vandalization...... I imagine the wealth is NOT being shared.
> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> "Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:m53lf.1937$Kg5.1885@trndny06...
>> Sad News. I used to love going out there. Another one for the list that
>> went the way of Coyote Canyon trail in the Anza Borrego. Remember that
>> trail, Noce run. Not a challenge but man it was really beautiful.
>>
>> --
>> Rich Harris :1986 CJ7, Detroits F/R, 4:10's, 33"BFGMT's, Mopar F/I, 4.0L
>> head, Rubicon Express 2.5" Wrangler springs, Procomp MX6 Shocks, and a
>> bunch more fun stuff. To Reply; shave my hair.
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:KwRkf.20792$pF.6593@fed1read04...
>>> Whatever the reasons, we lost a damned fine offroading location and I
>>> will never forget how great it was. Damn the loss. :(
>>>
>>> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lBJkf.37$Aq6.1568@news.uswest.net...
>>>>
>>>>> a user of one of my forums attempted to wheel at los coyotes and sent
>>>>> me this information. i dont know if any of it has been posted before
>>>>> and i cannot verify any of it, but wanted to pass it along.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nathan ,
>>>>> I finally got ahold of an Indian & was told that they were closed for
>>>>> good to off-roading so that they could have some regrowth to
>>>>> accomidate 2 years in the future when they will serve as a horse
>>>>> riding camp .
>>>>>
>>>>> The littering thing is -------- . I was told by a Warner Springs
>>>>> Fireman that casino money & Indians stealing from thier own is the
>>>>> real reason for the closure .sad sad sad ! About 10 years ago when
>>>>> they built new restrooms @ the campground the local indians
>>>>> immediately stole the copper pipes & thats why they never worked .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've heard the same story about the restroom pipes.
>>>>
>>>> I've also heard the stories about becoming a horse riding mecca. I
>>>> haven't heard anything about littering, per se, but a few years ago in
>>>> the midst of a pretty large fire, some idiot camped and built a
>>>> campfire in an illegal and very stupid spot, THEN got up the next
>>>> moring and left the fire smoldering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Bransford
>>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>
>

 

This is a very remote reservation, and they aren't after a casino for
themselves. They get a cut of the casino money from the other reservations
....



"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Yz6lf.47$Xy6.1707@news.uswest.net...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
>> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> thats sorta redundant. my experience with indian reservations is that
> anything can be had if you have money in your hand. id bet you could go
> out on the crow rez here south of billings and shoot an eagle for the
> right amount of money.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

This is a very remote reservation, and they aren't after a casino for
themselves. They get a cut of the casino money from the other reservations
....



"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Yz6lf.47$Xy6.1707@news.uswest.net...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
>> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> thats sorta redundant. my experience with indian reservations is that
> anything can be had if you have money in your hand. id bet you could go
> out on the crow rez here south of billings and shoot an eagle for the
> right amount of money.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>

 

This is a very remote reservation, and they aren't after a casino for
themselves. They get a cut of the casino money from the other reservations
....



"Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Yz6lf.47$Xy6.1707@news.uswest.net...
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78489$4394e1f2$4831b233$20345@FUSE.NET...
>> And if casinos are involved then organized crime is not far behind.
>
> thats sorta redundant. my experience with indian reservations is that
> anything can be had if you have money in your hand. id bet you could go
> out on the crow rez here south of billings and shoot an eagle for the
> right amount of money.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://UtilityOffRoad.com
> http://7SlotGrille.com
> http://InlineDiesel.com
> http://BighornRefrigeration.com
>