Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 10, 11:39 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Which years should I look for/avoid?

Interior and grille/bumper were redesigned in '96. Earlier ones are
ugly.

> Gas mileage, how bad is it?

My '96 5.2L would get 20mpg on the highway. That was with the
Goodyear Wrangler AT/S's aired up to about 45 PSI. With a lift and
offroad tires it'll probably be a lot worse.

> Is the gas mileage for the 6 better than the V8?

I've heard that it's so close that it's not worth the loss in power.

> Transfer cases options and any to avoid?

The full time unit is known for problems with the viscous coupler but
I had no problems with mine (130k miles).

> How does the Grand do in accidents?

I saw one that had gone off an overpass backwards and landed ass first
on the the road below. The doors would still open and close. Most
other cars would crush like a beer can. The flip side to lousy gas
mileage is that it's 4000+ pounds of crashworthy steel.

Only downside as a first car is that it holds so many passengers.

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 2:43 pm, The Reverend Natural Light
<rever...@fourthgen.org> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:39 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gas mileage, how bad is it?
>
> My '96 5.2L would get 20mpg on the highway. That was with the
> Goodyear Wrangler AT/S's aired up to about 45 PSI. With a lift and
> offroad tires it'll probably be a lot worse.

OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
doesn't sound that bad.

> > Transfer cases options and any to avoid?
>
> The full time unit is known for problems with the viscous coupler but
> I had no problems with mine (130k miles).

Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
I buy has.

> > How does the Grand do in accidents?
>
><snip> The flip side to lousy gas mileage is that it's 4000+
> pounds of crashworthy steel.

And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
<lol>

Dean

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 2:43 pm, The Reverend Natural Light
<rever...@fourthgen.org> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:39 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gas mileage, how bad is it?
>
> My '96 5.2L would get 20mpg on the highway. That was with the
> Goodyear Wrangler AT/S's aired up to about 45 PSI. With a lift and
> offroad tires it'll probably be a lot worse.

OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
doesn't sound that bad.

> > Transfer cases options and any to avoid?
>
> The full time unit is known for problems with the viscous coupler but
> I had no problems with mine (130k miles).

Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
I buy has.

> > How does the Grand do in accidents?
>
><snip> The flip side to lousy gas mileage is that it's 4000+
> pounds of crashworthy steel.

And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
<lol>

Dean

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 2:43 pm, The Reverend Natural Light
<rever...@fourthgen.org> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:39 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gas mileage, how bad is it?
>
> My '96 5.2L would get 20mpg on the highway. That was with the
> Goodyear Wrangler AT/S's aired up to about 45 PSI. With a lift and
> offroad tires it'll probably be a lot worse.

OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
doesn't sound that bad.

> > Transfer cases options and any to avoid?
>
> The full time unit is known for problems with the viscous coupler but
> I had no problems with mine (130k miles).

Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
I buy has.

> > How does the Grand do in accidents?
>
><snip> The flip side to lousy gas mileage is that it's 4000+
> pounds of crashworthy steel.

And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
<lol>

Dean

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 2:43 pm, The Reverend Natural Light
<rever...@fourthgen.org> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 11:39 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Gas mileage, how bad is it?
>
> My '96 5.2L would get 20mpg on the highway. That was with the
> Goodyear Wrangler AT/S's aired up to about 45 PSI. With a lift and
> offroad tires it'll probably be a lot worse.

OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
doesn't sound that bad.

> > Transfer cases options and any to avoid?
>
> The full time unit is known for problems with the viscous coupler but
> I had no problems with mine (130k miles).

Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
I buy has.

> > How does the Grand do in accidents?
>
><snip> The flip side to lousy gas mileage is that it's 4000+
> pounds of crashworthy steel.

And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
<lol>

Dean

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 10:43 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
> doesn't sound that bad.
>

I can't figure out why my '96 V8 would do 20mpg but the '99 V8 I
replaced it with gets 15mpg. In between those two I had a 2002 Dakota
mid-size truck that sucked fuel at 12mpg. Why don't newer cars get
better mileage? I will never buy another full size car that isn't
better than 25mpg. No more Jeeps, I guess.

>
> Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
> and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
> swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
> coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
> I buy has.
>

The viscous coupler is expensive to fix. If it breaks, it's probably
no big deal to replace the whole transfer case with a part time unit.
Probably have to swap the front axle as well. Grand Cherokees must be
the most common vehicle on the road at the moment so boneyard parts
should be cheap and plentiful.

>
> And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
> Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
> better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
> school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
> <lol>
>

My parents put me in a full size standard cab Ford truck. That's
exactly what my kids will learn to drive in. I don't care that it
gets 10mpg and gas will be $10/gallon by then.

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 10:43 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
> doesn't sound that bad.
>

I can't figure out why my '96 V8 would do 20mpg but the '99 V8 I
replaced it with gets 15mpg. In between those two I had a 2002 Dakota
mid-size truck that sucked fuel at 12mpg. Why don't newer cars get
better mileage? I will never buy another full size car that isn't
better than 25mpg. No more Jeeps, I guess.

>
> Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
> and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
> swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
> coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
> I buy has.
>

The viscous coupler is expensive to fix. If it breaks, it's probably
no big deal to replace the whole transfer case with a part time unit.
Probably have to swap the front axle as well. Grand Cherokees must be
the most common vehicle on the road at the moment so boneyard parts
should be cheap and plentiful.

>
> And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
> Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
> better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
> school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
> <lol>
>

My parents put me in a full size standard cab Ford truck. That's
exactly what my kids will learn to drive in. I don't care that it
gets 10mpg and gas will be $10/gallon by then.

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 10:43 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
> doesn't sound that bad.
>

I can't figure out why my '96 V8 would do 20mpg but the '99 V8 I
replaced it with gets 15mpg. In between those two I had a 2002 Dakota
mid-size truck that sucked fuel at 12mpg. Why don't newer cars get
better mileage? I will never buy another full size car that isn't
better than 25mpg. No more Jeeps, I guess.

>
> Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
> and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
> swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
> coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
> I buy has.
>

The viscous coupler is expensive to fix. If it breaks, it's probably
no big deal to replace the whole transfer case with a part time unit.
Probably have to swap the front axle as well. Grand Cherokees must be
the most common vehicle on the road at the moment so boneyard parts
should be cheap and plentiful.

>
> And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
> Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
> better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
> school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
> <lol>
>

My parents put me in a full size standard cab Ford truck. That's
exactly what my kids will learn to drive in. I don't care that it
gets 10mpg and gas will be $10/gallon by then.

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Jul 13, 10:43 pm, Dean <JuanSig...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK this will show how twisted I've become, but 20 mpg on the highway
> doesn't sound that bad.
>

I can't figure out why my '96 V8 would do 20mpg but the '99 V8 I
replaced it with gets 15mpg. In between those two I had a 2002 Dakota
mid-size truck that sucked fuel at 12mpg. Why don't newer cars get
better mileage? I will never buy another full size car that isn't
better than 25mpg. No more Jeeps, I guess.

>
> Are the transfer cases interchangeable between the Wrangler, Cherokee,
> and Grand? Just thinking if there was a problem it might be easier to
> swap in another from the junk yard rather than repair the viscous
> coupler. But, it may not even be an issue, depending on what the Jeep
> I buy has.
>

The viscous coupler is expensive to fix. If it breaks, it's probably
no big deal to replace the whole transfer case with a part time unit.
Probably have to swap the front axle as well. Grand Cherokees must be
the most common vehicle on the road at the moment so boneyard parts
should be cheap and plentiful.

>
> And that my friend is exactly why my wife and I thought "lets get a
> Grand Cherokee for his first car." I know he'd prefer a car with
> better gas mileage, but I've seen how the kids drive around the high
> school. Frankly I think his mom would rather he drive a Peterbilt.
> <lol>
>

My parents put me in a full size standard cab Ford truck. That's
exactly what my kids will learn to drive in. I don't care that it
gets 10mpg and gas will be $10/gallon by then.

Re: Looking for a Grand Cherokee
 

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:39:21 +0000, Dean wrote:


>Transfer cases options and any to avoid?

I've got the full-time capable NP242/NV242. It gives you full-time 4wd,
part-time (offroad) 4wd-high, part-time 4wd-low, and plain old 2wd, along
with a true neutral for towing. Also available on the ZJs was a standard
part-time (same as above but with no full-time 4wd) which is probably
more reliable than what I have. Later models had an all-wheel-drive
option that selectively sent power to any wheel that needed it, and the
newest GCs (WK series) only have this option or standard 2wd IIRC.

BTW, don't be scared off of the NP242 just because I'm having to replace
mine. The dumbass who owned it before me never did any maintenance and
now I'm suffering the consequences. You MUST do the 36,000 tranny and
transfer case maintenance religiously or you will lose one or both within
100k miles, much sooner if you do any offroading at all. Change the
fluids, and on the tranny, change the filter and adjust the bands if
needed.

>How does the Grand do in accidents?

Thankfully I can't answer this one firsthand, though from what I've seen
they fare well for their class of vehicle. They're quite the tank.


Not to dissuade you from the GCs, but I sometimes wish I'd saved a few
thousand bucks and bought that '90 XJ Cherokee Sport I had looked at
first. The guy scared me off the deal though because he absolutely
refused to let me drive it, even so much as down his driveway and back.
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it if I can't test drive it. However, I've
spent close to $2500 in repairs (mostly due to the previous owner's
negligence) on the Grand when I might have been in for about half that on
the XJ I looked at, if any at all (I still think the guy was just kooky
and not sneaky). Oh well, hindsight and all. Anyways, good luck to you.


Morgan

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