Lift install NIGHTMARE
11-19-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
That's why we use welder's gloves, next lesson will be always cover
your ears.
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Carl wrote:
>
> Cool. I was able to torch most of them, but suffered a bad burn on one of my
> fingers from molten bushing.
>
> Carl
your ears.
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Carl wrote:
>
> Cool. I was able to torch most of them, but suffered a bad burn on one of my
> fingers from molten bushing.
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
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"J. Sprauer" wrote:
>
> did you have plenty of beer?
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
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"J. Sprauer" wrote:
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> did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"J. Sprauer" wrote:
>
> did you have plenty of beer?
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"J. Sprauer" wrote:
>
> did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"J. Sprauer" wrote:
>
> did you have plenty of beer?
http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"J. Sprauer" wrote:
>
> did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 05:04 PM
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i like that!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
i like that!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
i like that!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I think that's how we measure a job, like Doug's pages:
> http://members.***.net/wilsond/front...way/index.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "J. Sprauer" wrote:
> >
> > did you have plenty of beer?
11-19-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
We only had a 12 pack. :-(
Carl
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> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"J. Sprauer" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 09:08 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
We only had a 12 pack. :-(
Carl
"J. Sprauer" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"J. Sprauer" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>
11-19-2005, 09:08 PM
#40
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
We only had a 12 pack. :-(
Carl
"J. Sprauer" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:N5Nff.23070$dO2.8004@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
"J. Sprauer" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:N5Nff.23070$dO2.8004@newssvr29.news.prodigy.n et...
> did you have plenty of beer?
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:CJudnbpZOKfdwOLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>
>