Lift install NIGHTMARE
11-19-2005, 01:17 PM
#11
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I feel for you! When I took my CJ7 apart only one bolt came out of the
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 01:17 PM
#12
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I feel for you! When I took my CJ7 apart only one bolt came out of the
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 01:17 PM
#13
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
I feel for you! When I took my CJ7 apart only one bolt came out of the
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
shop! They torched the suckers apart.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Carl wrote:
>
> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my 91
> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air, a
> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>
> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>
> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the 4
> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside the
> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut the
> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame with
> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma cutter
> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place with
> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven die
> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder of
> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>
> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to flush
> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>
> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
> miles with my E-brake.
>
> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute nightmare.
> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar mount.
>
> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone whom
> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>
> All I can say is..wow..
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Hi Carl,
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Hi Carl,
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Hi Carl,
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> 2 words: three cans.
>
> Carl
11-19-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Bill -
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:437F7AEB.2349F7FB@***.net...
> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
11-19-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Bill -
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:437F7AEB.2349F7FB@***.net...
> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:437F7AEB.2349F7FB@***.net...
> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
11-19-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: Lift install NIGHTMARE
Bill -
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:437F7AEB.2349F7FB@***.net...
> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
We had a big *** 3/4" drive impact wrench that could spin my arms off.
Hopefully it comes apart easier next time.
Carl
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:437F7AEB.2349F7FB@***.net...
> Hi Carl,
> plus an impact wrench. Always tighten each side to remove enough of
> the peined threads to able to spin them off without galling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> 2 words: three cans.
>>
>> Carl
11-19-2005, 04:26 PM
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Cool. I was able to torch most of them, but suffered a bad burn on one of my
fingers from molten bushing.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:437F6C20.433A2877@sympatico.ca...
>I feel for you! When I took my CJ7 apart only one bolt came out of the
> tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
> shop! They torched the suckers apart.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
>> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
>> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
>> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
>> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
>> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
>> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
>> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl
fingers from molten bushing.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:437F6C20.433A2877@sympatico.ca...
>I feel for you! When I took my CJ7 apart only one bolt came out of the
> tub, the rest spun or snapped. I took my spring lift job to a spring
> shop! They torched the suckers apart.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Carl wrote:
>>
>> This is long, but it details the problems my friend Shaun and I had
>> installing a Rubicon 3.5" Super-Ride system (With full rear sprins) on my
>> 91
>> XJ Laredo. Luckily, we had a vehicle lift, a big air gun, plenty of air,
>> a
>> welder, and plenty of drills, grinders, and other power tools.
>>
>> We started on Friday at 3pm. We didn't leave the shop untill Saturday at
>> 3am. Let me tell you, I have a new respect for stuck bolts.
>>
>> All four rear leaf spring bolts were siezed. I was able to heat 3 of the
>> 4
>> with a torch and muscle them out. The last, the passenger side front leaf
>> spring bolt.. sheared off in the bushing AND broke the weld-nut inside
>> the
>> frame. Yes, I broke them both. We had to bend the spring hangar and cut
>> the
>> spring eye in half. THEN we had to cut the bolt - it turned out the
>> bushing's sleeve had siezed to the bolt. Now we had a hole in the frame
>> with
>> a broken weld-nut and a piece of bolt sticking out. Not good. Plasma
>> cutter
>> wasn't working. We decided to cut a hole in the frame extension welded on
>> where the weld-nut resided, pull it out, and weld a new piece in place
>> with
>> a new weld nut. Without the plasma cutter, we resorted to an air-driven
>> die
>> grinder. Two hours later, the patch was welded into place. The remainder
>> of
>> the rear was pretty uneventful, but I had to loose the crappy tow hitch.
>>
>> What is it with this passenger side? Lower control arm, upper bolt. Same
>> thing. Seized sleeve in the bushing. Ridiculous. We ground it down to
>> flush
>> with the bracket, put a pickle fork between the braket and used a BFH to
>> make a gap and rip the control arm out. Then, for some reason, on the
>> install of the new control arms, the bolt I had just taken out of the
>> driver's side lower control arm frame end mount wouldn't go back thru the
>> frame. None of them would. Scrounge up another bolt..
>>
>> So we installed a longer rear brake line, and I tried to re-position the
>> driver's side front brake line mount after I straightened the tubes as
>> outlined by RE. No dice. Either way, we need to bleed the brakes. This is
>> about 230am. Both rear brake bleeders BROKE OFF. Try the pedal. NOTHING.
>> Said forget it, let a shop fix the brakes. Cleaned up and drove home 20
>> miles with my E-brake.
>>
>> This RE 3.5" lift was a FIGHT every step of the way, an absolute
>> nightmare.
>> I don't think that it had anything to do with Rubicon's parts, design, or
>> quality. The kit with the DT3 shocks rides well and smooth. Most of the
>> parts were correct and fit well. I did have to bore out one side of one
>> lower control arm axle end bolt hole. I also re-drilled the track bar
>> mount.
>>
>> To make matters worse, my spare car that i was going to give to someone
>> whom
>> had their house burn down.... it was stolen last night!
>>
>> All I can say is..wow..
>>
>> Carl