Re: Liberty CRD
 

John, because only a troll would suggest using a dirty fuel!
The diesel is for the Foreign market, where they're not saddled
with our bleeding heart liberal, environmentalist making sure their
building are not covered in soot, like they are.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Roche wrote:
>
> What about my question struck you as a troll post?
>
> If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?
>
> John

Re: Liberty CRD
 

John, because only a troll would suggest using a dirty fuel!
The diesel is for the Foreign market, where they're not saddled
with our bleeding heart liberal, environmentalist making sure their
building are not covered in soot, like they are.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

John Roche wrote:
>
> What about my question struck you as a troll post?
>
> If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?
>
> John

Re: Liberty CRD
 

Don't take it personally. He thinks he sees troll posts all the time.

-John

"John Roche" <jroche@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BD8A09F8.75065%jroche@nyc.rr.com...
> What about my question struck you as a troll post?
>
> If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?
>
> John
>
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote on 10/6/04 3:17 PM:
>
> > Hi John (troll),
> > Because diesel engines run too dirty for our environment, as soon
> > as these emission laws are enforced they won't be allowed anywhere:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html :-)
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > John Roche wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are these not available in NY and can one be purchased out of
state? Is
> >> there some reason you could not register it in NY?
> >>
> >> Anyone know pricing or has it not been announced.
> >>
> >> j
>

Re: Liberty CRD
 

Don't take it personally. He thinks he sees troll posts all the time.

-John

"John Roche" <jroche@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BD8A09F8.75065%jroche@nyc.rr.com...
> What about my question struck you as a troll post?
>
> If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?
>
> John
>
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote on 10/6/04 3:17 PM:
>
> > Hi John (troll),
> > Because diesel engines run too dirty for our environment, as soon
> > as these emission laws are enforced they won't be allowed anywhere:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html :-)
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > John Roche wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are these not available in NY and can one be purchased out of
state? Is
> >> there some reason you could not register it in NY?
> >>
> >> Anyone know pricing or has it not been announced.
> >>
> >> j
>

Re: Liberty CRD
 

Don't take it personally. He thinks he sees troll posts all the time.

-John

"John Roche" <jroche@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:BD8A09F8.75065%jroche@nyc.rr.com...
> What about my question struck you as a troll post?
>
> If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?
>
> John
>
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote on 10/6/04 3:17 PM:
>
> > Hi John (troll),
> > Because diesel engines run too dirty for our environment, as soon
> > as these emission laws are enforced they won't be allowed anywhere:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html :-)
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > John Roche wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are these not available in NY and can one be purchased out of
state? Is
> >> there some reason you could not register it in NY?
> >>
> >> Anyone know pricing or has it not been announced.
> >>
> >> j
>

Re: Liberty CRD
 

> >
> > If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?

Because it's not. Buying the VM engined Liberty might not be a good
choice as an offroad vehicle, but because it uses less fuel it's the
most socially responsible vehicle Jeep makes. If electronic engines
were my forte, I'd have imported one of these from Italy or the UK a
long time ago. Most of VM's engines have a hell for stout reputation
and are sold in many different car brands in Europe.

This is the same technology as the Duramax uses. The Duramax is the
quietest running smoothest and least stinky diesel on the US road so
far...but it's way too big for a Jeep. Half a Duramax, particularly
with an aluminum block to match its heads, would be a really great
engine.

Common rail technology was invented by the Italians and it's become
the dominant thing everywhere. Its only disadvantage is that like all
the gas engines today it's electronic. Box goes, you walk home. The
old diesels were fully mechanical. They would get you back electrics
or no electrics. But their power was nothing like the new engines,
which are beating gasoline for power to weight.

Re: Liberty CRD
 

> >
> > If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?

Because it's not. Buying the VM engined Liberty might not be a good
choice as an offroad vehicle, but because it uses less fuel it's the
most socially responsible vehicle Jeep makes. If electronic engines
were my forte, I'd have imported one of these from Italy or the UK a
long time ago. Most of VM's engines have a hell for stout reputation
and are sold in many different car brands in Europe.

This is the same technology as the Duramax uses. The Duramax is the
quietest running smoothest and least stinky diesel on the US road so
far...but it's way too big for a Jeep. Half a Duramax, particularly
with an aluminum block to match its heads, would be a really great
engine.

Common rail technology was invented by the Italians and it's become
the dominant thing everywhere. Its only disadvantage is that like all
the gas engines today it's electronic. Box goes, you walk home. The
old diesels were fully mechanical. They would get you back electrics
or no electrics. But their power was nothing like the new engines,
which are beating gasoline for power to weight.

Re: Liberty CRD
 

> >
> > If what you say is true, why is Jeep even making the CRD?

Because it's not. Buying the VM engined Liberty might not be a good
choice as an offroad vehicle, but because it uses less fuel it's the
most socially responsible vehicle Jeep makes. If electronic engines
were my forte, I'd have imported one of these from Italy or the UK a
long time ago. Most of VM's engines have a hell for stout reputation
and are sold in many different car brands in Europe.

This is the same technology as the Duramax uses. The Duramax is the
quietest running smoothest and least stinky diesel on the US road so
far...but it's way too big for a Jeep. Half a Duramax, particularly
with an aluminum block to match its heads, would be a really great
engine.

Common rail technology was invented by the Italians and it's become
the dominant thing everywhere. Its only disadvantage is that like all
the gas engines today it's electronic. Box goes, you walk home. The
old diesels were fully mechanical. They would get you back electrics
or no electrics. But their power was nothing like the new engines,
which are beating gasoline for power to weight.

Re: Liberty CRD
 

Hi Dave,
With Horsepower comes torque such as this Chevy Rat motor with a
respectable 828 horsepower at 7000 rpm and 692 lb-ft of torque at 5250
rpm: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/50660/ Where the diesel truck's
engine wieghts twice as much, and only delivers half the horsepower and
torque, but at a lower RPM: http://www.6066gmctrucks.org/Diesel.htm
that's why we need eighteen speeds to go sixty miles and hour:
http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I like diesels, but I cant think of one that beats petrol power to weight.
> torque to weight maybe, but not power.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Re: Liberty CRD
 

Hi Dave,
With Horsepower comes torque such as this Chevy Rat motor with a
respectable 828 horsepower at 7000 rpm and 692 lb-ft of torque at 5250
rpm: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/50660/ Where the diesel truck's
engine wieghts twice as much, and only delivers half the horsepower and
torque, but at a lower RPM: http://www.6066gmctrucks.org/Diesel.htm
that's why we need eighteen speeds to go sixty miles and hour:
http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> I like diesels, but I cant think of one that beats petrol power to weight.
> torque to weight maybe, but not power.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ