Is this legal?
08-24-2003, 05:56 PM
#11
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Re: Is this legal?
In California, for a fifty dollar fee a person will come out and
run the VINs, and if they comes back clean, will give you a certificate
to take to the DMV to start the process of registration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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sm3gurpal wrote:
>
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
run the VINs, and if they comes back clean, will give you a certificate
to take to the DMV to start the process of registration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
sm3gurpal wrote:
>
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
08-24-2003, 05:58 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
I've got virtually the same situation going here in TX, and from what
I've determined, I need to get the DPS to issue a new VIN number for it,
which involves getting it inspected at one of about six inspection
stations that they provide for the entire 800 mile x 600 mile state
(nice of them, huh?). I think it's form MV-6 or something like that. I
don't know what the inspectioninvolves, but I do know that DougW is
correct, you have to provide documentation as to where the parts come
from. So far, it's looking like a huge PITA, so meanwhile I've got my
father-in-law in OK, who's buddies with his local tag agent, looking
into what it would take to get it titled up there. Depending on how
ambitious, I am, if that doesn't work, she may end up being a
trailered-to-the-trail offroad-only machine, but that would be too bad,
as I was hoping to teach my wife to drive a stick in it as well.
sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
I've determined, I need to get the DPS to issue a new VIN number for it,
which involves getting it inspected at one of about six inspection
stations that they provide for the entire 800 mile x 600 mile state
(nice of them, huh?). I think it's form MV-6 or something like that. I
don't know what the inspectioninvolves, but I do know that DougW is
correct, you have to provide documentation as to where the parts come
from. So far, it's looking like a huge PITA, so meanwhile I've got my
father-in-law in OK, who's buddies with his local tag agent, looking
into what it would take to get it titled up there. Depending on how
ambitious, I am, if that doesn't work, she may end up being a
trailered-to-the-trail offroad-only machine, but that would be too bad,
as I was hoping to teach my wife to drive a stick in it as well.
sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
08-24-2003, 05:58 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
I've got virtually the same situation going here in TX, and from what
I've determined, I need to get the DPS to issue a new VIN number for it,
which involves getting it inspected at one of about six inspection
stations that they provide for the entire 800 mile x 600 mile state
(nice of them, huh?). I think it's form MV-6 or something like that. I
don't know what the inspectioninvolves, but I do know that DougW is
correct, you have to provide documentation as to where the parts come
from. So far, it's looking like a huge PITA, so meanwhile I've got my
father-in-law in OK, who's buddies with his local tag agent, looking
into what it would take to get it titled up there. Depending on how
ambitious, I am, if that doesn't work, she may end up being a
trailered-to-the-trail offroad-only machine, but that would be too bad,
as I was hoping to teach my wife to drive a stick in it as well.
sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
I've determined, I need to get the DPS to issue a new VIN number for it,
which involves getting it inspected at one of about six inspection
stations that they provide for the entire 800 mile x 600 mile state
(nice of them, huh?). I think it's form MV-6 or something like that. I
don't know what the inspectioninvolves, but I do know that DougW is
correct, you have to provide documentation as to where the parts come
from. So far, it's looking like a huge PITA, so meanwhile I've got my
father-in-law in OK, who's buddies with his local tag agent, looking
into what it would take to get it titled up there. Depending on how
ambitious, I am, if that doesn't work, she may end up being a
trailered-to-the-trail offroad-only machine, but that would be too bad,
as I was hoping to teach my wife to drive a stick in it as well.
sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?
08-24-2003, 06:30 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
In article <88f4ec61.0308241150.50d9dcd9@posting.google.com >,
elambeth@hotmail.com (sm3gurpal) writes:
>I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
>salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
>body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
>The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
>without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
>it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
>get back and forth to the trail.
In most states you can title a vehicle like this as "owner-assembled" or
similar. Will probably require some sort of safety inspection. Check with your
Secretary of State office.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
elambeth@hotmail.com (sm3gurpal) writes:
>I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
>salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
>body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
>The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
>without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
>it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
>get back and forth to the trail.
In most states you can title a vehicle like this as "owner-assembled" or
similar. Will probably require some sort of safety inspection. Check with your
Secretary of State office.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
08-24-2003, 06:30 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
In article <88f4ec61.0308241150.50d9dcd9@posting.google.com >,
elambeth@hotmail.com (sm3gurpal) writes:
>I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
>salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
>body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
>The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
>without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
>it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
>get back and forth to the trail.
In most states you can title a vehicle like this as "owner-assembled" or
similar. Will probably require some sort of safety inspection. Check with your
Secretary of State office.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
elambeth@hotmail.com (sm3gurpal) writes:
>I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
>salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
>body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
>The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
>without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
>it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
>get back and forth to the trail.
In most states you can title a vehicle like this as "owner-assembled" or
similar. Will probably require some sort of safety inspection. Check with your
Secretary of State office.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
08-24-2003, 10:09 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
> the rivets for holding
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
I've got in store if I try to title this.
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
I've got in store if I try to title this.
08-24-2003, 10:09 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
> the rivets for holding
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
I've got in store if I try to title this.
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
I've got in store if I try to title this.
08-24-2003, 10:17 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0308241809.53ec2fe5@posting.google.c om...
> > the rivets for holding
> > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > probably stolen.
> >
>
> I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
> that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
> heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
> they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
> body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
> the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
>
> You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
> and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
> rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
> I've got in store if I try to title this.
When I redid the dash on my 1977 Volkswagen Bug I used ordinary pop rivets
to put the (original) dash VIN number plate back. I sold the vehicle to a
guy from New York, which is a picky state too, and he never had any trouble
getting it titled. Of course on that vehicle the dash plate matched the
number stamped on the transmission tunnel...
Earle
news:88f4ec61.0308241809.53ec2fe5@posting.google.c om...
> > the rivets for holding
> > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > probably stolen.
> >
>
> I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
> that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
> heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
> they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
> body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
> the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
>
> You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
> and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
> rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
> I've got in store if I try to title this.
When I redid the dash on my 1977 Volkswagen Bug I used ordinary pop rivets
to put the (original) dash VIN number plate back. I sold the vehicle to a
guy from New York, which is a picky state too, and he never had any trouble
getting it titled. Of course on that vehicle the dash plate matched the
number stamped on the transmission tunnel...
Earle
08-24-2003, 10:17 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0308241809.53ec2fe5@posting.google.c om...
> > the rivets for holding
> > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > probably stolen.
> >
>
> I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
> that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
> heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
> they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
> body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
> the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
>
> You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
> and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
> rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
> I've got in store if I try to title this.
When I redid the dash on my 1977 Volkswagen Bug I used ordinary pop rivets
to put the (original) dash VIN number plate back. I sold the vehicle to a
guy from New York, which is a picky state too, and he never had any trouble
getting it titled. Of course on that vehicle the dash plate matched the
number stamped on the transmission tunnel...
Earle
news:88f4ec61.0308241809.53ec2fe5@posting.google.c om...
> > the rivets for holding
> > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > probably stolen.
> >
>
> I know that's the standard for most late model cars, but are you sure
> that's the case for CJs? My rivets look pretty ordinary. Seems like I
> heard that this is normal for those models... I have also heard that
> they don't have the "hidden" VIN plate squirreled away in some secret
> body location, like most cars do now. (Maybe because CJs were made in
> the 70s, back before people started stealing cars? <g>)
>
> You know, now that I think about it... if I have ordinary rivets,
> and I'm mistaken, and CJs really SHOULD have the funky anti-theft
> rivets.... *sigh* I don't even want to think about how much trouble
> I've got in store if I try to title this.
When I redid the dash on my 1977 Volkswagen Bug I used ordinary pop rivets
to put the (original) dash VIN number plate back. I sold the vehicle to a
guy from New York, which is a picky state too, and he never had any trouble
getting it titled. Of course on that vehicle the dash plate matched the
number stamped on the transmission tunnel...
Earle
08-24-2003, 11:20 PM
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Re: Is this legal?
I've seen it done many times actually. Never seen anybody get caught either. I
just wouldn't ------ the word that you did it.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep
just wouldn't ------ the word that you did it.
Mr. Bill
at a 4 way stop.....the vehicle with the largest wheels has the right of way
My Jeep is not an SUV....your SUV is not a Jeep