Is this legal?
 

I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
body I used is hopelessly murky.

The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
get back and forth to the trail.

What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
the jeep and register it, done deal.

What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
this activity fall?

Re: Is this legal?
 

sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?

It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
probably stolen.

Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with someone
on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle tested
for proper brakes/lights/etc.

Good luck.

Re: Is this legal?
 

sm3gurpal wrote:
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?

It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
probably stolen.

Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with someone
on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle tested
for proper brakes/lights/etc.

Good luck.

Re: Is this legal?
 

I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid source
of info, but it's a start

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> sm3gurpal wrote:
> > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> >
> > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > get back and forth to the trail.
> >
> > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> >
> > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> > this activity fall?
>
> It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
> Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with someone
> on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle tested
> for proper brakes/lights/etc.
>
> Good luck.
>
>

Re: Is this legal?
 

I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid source
of info, but it's a start

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr@comcast.net
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> sm3gurpal wrote:
> > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> >
> > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > get back and forth to the trail.
> >
> > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> >
> > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> > this activity fall?
>
> It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> probably stolen.
>
> Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with someone
> on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle tested
> for proper brakes/lights/etc.
>
> Good luck.
>
>

Re: Is this legal?
 

Not that it is legal But you can buy the rosette rivets oin ebay, and check
the Jeep groups for people junking out cj's they will sell them
"Slim_Shady_Monkey" <garethmypants@ridings.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in
message news:bib974$mg7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Don't you guys have kit-cars out in the states???
>
> Surely its possible to obtain plate for self-build so long
> as it passes all loal road safety requirements?
> "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sg92b.246210$o%2.111724@sccrnsc02...
> > I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
> > legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid
> source
> > of info, but it's a start
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> > > sm3gurpal wrote:
> > > > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > > > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > > > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> > > >
> > > > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > > > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it,
but
> > > > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > > > get back and forth to the trail.
> > > >
> > > > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a
title
> > > > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate
in
> > > > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > > > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > > > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where
would
> > > > this activity fall?
> > >
> > > It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> > > junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> > > to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> > > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > > probably stolen.
> > >
> > > Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with
> someone
> > > on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> > > You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle
> tested
> > > for proper brakes/lights/etc.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Is this legal?
 

Not that it is legal But you can buy the rosette rivets oin ebay, and check
the Jeep groups for people junking out cj's they will sell them
"Slim_Shady_Monkey" <garethmypants@ridings.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in
message news:bib974$mg7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Don't you guys have kit-cars out in the states???
>
> Surely its possible to obtain plate for self-build so long
> as it passes all loal road safety requirements?
> "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sg92b.246210$o%2.111724@sccrnsc02...
> > I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
> > legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid
> source
> > of info, but it's a start
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> > > sm3gurpal wrote:
> > > > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > > > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > > > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> > > >
> > > > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > > > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it,
but
> > > > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > > > get back and forth to the trail.
> > > >
> > > > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a
title
> > > > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate
in
> > > > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > > > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > > > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where
would
> > > > this activity fall?
> > >
> > > It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> > > junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> > > to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> > > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > > probably stolen.
> > >
> > > Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with
> someone
> > > on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> > > You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle
> tested
> > > for proper brakes/lights/etc.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Is this legal?
 

That is what I was going to ask too.

I know here in Canada new VIN's can be issued and one that has no record
can be made valid again. You might have to swear in front of a JP that
you actually did build the thing from parts, but so what. Paperwork can
be worked through, just takes time.

Same for a 'glass tub or something, the DMV will put the VIN tag on it
for you with the 'special' rivets so the cops don't always want to bust
you for stealing a Jeep.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Slim_Shady_Monkey wrote:
>
> Don't you guys have kit-cars out in the states???
>
> Surely its possible to obtain plate for self-build so long
> as it passes all loal road safety requirements?
> "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sg92b.246210$o%2.111724@sccrnsc02...
> > I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
> > legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid
> source
> > of info, but it's a start
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> > > sm3gurpal wrote:
> > > > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > > > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > > > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> > > >
> > > > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > > > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> > > > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > > > get back and forth to the trail.
> > > >
> > > > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> > > > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> > > > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > > > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > > > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> > > > this activity fall?
> > >
> > > It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> > > junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> > > to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> > > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > > probably stolen.
> > >
> > > Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with
> someone
> > > on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> > > You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle
> tested
> > > for proper brakes/lights/etc.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Is this legal?
 

That is what I was going to ask too.

I know here in Canada new VIN's can be issued and one that has no record
can be made valid again. You might have to swear in front of a JP that
you actually did build the thing from parts, but so what. Paperwork can
be worked through, just takes time.

Same for a 'glass tub or something, the DMV will put the VIN tag on it
for you with the 'special' rivets so the cops don't always want to bust
you for stealing a Jeep.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Slim_Shady_Monkey wrote:
>
> Don't you guys have kit-cars out in the states???
>
> Surely its possible to obtain plate for self-build so long
> as it passes all loal road safety requirements?
> "Carlo Jr." <carlo.jr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:sg92b.246210$o%2.111724@sccrnsc02...
> > I know a few people that have done it in Calif - they said it was
> > legal........ clinical testimonial is not necessarily the most valid
> source
> > of info, but it's a start
> >
> > --
> > Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
> > carlo.jr@comcast.net
> > '98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
> > O|||||||O
> > '92 Explorer '65 Mustang
> >
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:O192b.83528$Ij4.30671@news2.central.cox.net.. .
> > > sm3gurpal wrote:
> > > > I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> > > > salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> > > > body I used is hopelessly murky.
> > > >
> > > > The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> > > > without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> > > > it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> > > > get back and forth to the trail.
> > > >
> > > > What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> > > > and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> > > > the jeep and register it, done deal.
> > > >
> > > > What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> > > > don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> > > > spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> > > > this activity fall?
> > >
> > > It falls under "Don't do it." and your probably not going to find a
> > > junkyard that will sell you a vin plate. Mainly because it's illegal
> > > to do so in most if not all states. That and the rivets for holding
> > > the VIN tag are not normal pop-rivets, it's one of the first things
> > > an officer is going to notice and will assume from that the car is
> > > probably stolen.
> > >
> > > Call the DMV main office in your state (TX?) and ask to talk with
> someone
> > > on this subject. Most places will help but be prepared for paperwork.
> > > You may have to provide receipts for the parts and have the vehicle
> tested
> > > for proper brakes/lights/etc.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Is this legal?
 

In California, for a fifty dollar fee a person will come out and
run the VINs, and if they comes back clean, will give you a certificate
to take to the DMV to start the process of registration.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

sm3gurpal wrote:
>
> I have a nearly complete project vehicle I've put together out of
> salvage parts. The title situation for the VIN that came with the
> body I used is hopelessly murky.
>
> The DMV folks do not like this and do not want to let me register it
> without a title. I suppose I don't absolutely HAVE to license it, but
> it would be nice to occasionally be able to drive it on the road, to
> get back and forth to the trail.
>
> What I have in mind to do is to find someone who will sell me a title
> and VIN plate from an old junked rig. Then I just stick the plate in
> the jeep and register it, done deal.
>
> What I'm not sure of, though, is how "naughty" this is. I certainly
> don't want to risk fines or jail time for this shenanigan. On the
> spectrum of "dubious but not illegal" to "major felony", where would
> this activity fall?