Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#31
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:14:09 -0400, Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#32
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:14:09 -0400, Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#33
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:14:09 -0400, Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.
Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.
-D
--
"640K ought to be enough for anybody" -Bill Gates, 1981
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#34
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On 4 Apr 2005 03:11:27 -0700, jcwelch@hal-pc.org wrote:
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#35
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On 4 Apr 2005 03:11:27 -0700, jcwelch@hal-pc.org wrote:
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#36
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On 4 Apr 2005 03:11:27 -0700, jcwelch@hal-pc.org wrote:
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 01:30 PM
#37
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
On 4 Apr 2005 03:11:27 -0700, jcwelch@hal-pc.org wrote:
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
> A fair criticism of the TY is that you give up being able to fold the
> window down.
Are you referring to the windshield? My owners manual ('05 TJ)
explains how to fold the windshield down, and the windshild and hood
have the brackets for tying it securely.
-D
--
The Lord detests all the proud of heart.
Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
Proverbs 16:7
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
04-04-2005, 10:05 PM
#38
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
I cannot belive I said "TY". It was early and I was working on my
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.
04-04-2005, 10:05 PM
#39
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
I cannot belive I said "TY". It was early and I was working on my
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.
04-04-2005, 10:05 PM
#40
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Re: Jeep Wrangler Opinins needed
I cannot belive I said "TY". It was early and I was working on my
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.
first cup of cofee.
What I meant was that one day I noticed that on my 99 with the
windshield wipers where they are they would have to be removed from the
cowling to fold down the front windshield, or else take the glass out
of the windshield, which would be eclectic to say the least.