Lee Ayrton

Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
"Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.

Some things never change it seems.


Brian wrote:

> All the differn't wrangler for these years are just trim levels as i
> understand. Sahara for example would have nicer seats, stereo, A/C and a 4.0
> as best i can remember.
>
> None of these trim levels indicates a bigger differentail or limited slip or
> anything like that.
>
> I hope iam not wrong this is what i remember being told.
[snip]

Lee Ayrton

Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
"Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.

Some things never change it seems.


Brian wrote:

> All the differn't wrangler for these years are just trim levels as i
> understand. Sahara for example would have nicer seats, stereo, A/C and a 4.0
> as best i can remember.
>
> None of these trim levels indicates a bigger differentail or limited slip or
> anything like that.
>
> I hope iam not wrong this is what i remember being told.
[snip]

Brian

Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.

-Brian

O|||||O YJ 4.0

<waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> trannie?
>

Brian

Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.

-Brian

O|||||O YJ 4.0

<waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> trannie?
>

Brian

Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.

-Brian

O|||||O YJ 4.0

<waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> trannie?
>

Mike Romain

You can always pull the stoopid button vent on the tranny and put a
piece of gas line in the hole to make a nipple for a high water line on
the tranny like the t-case and diffs have.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Brian wrote:
>
> Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
> when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
> through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
> replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
> better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
> for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.
>
> -Brian
>
> O|||||O YJ 4.0
>
> <waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> > trannie?
> >

Mike Romain

You can always pull the stoopid button vent on the tranny and put a
piece of gas line in the hole to make a nipple for a high water line on
the tranny like the t-case and diffs have.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Brian wrote:
>
> Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
> when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
> through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
> replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
> better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
> for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.
>
> -Brian
>
> O|||||O YJ 4.0
>
> <waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> > trannie?
> >

Mike Romain

You can always pull the stoopid button vent on the tranny and put a
piece of gas line in the hole to make a nipple for a high water line on
the tranny like the t-case and diffs have.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Brian wrote:
>
> Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
> when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
> through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
> replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
> better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
> for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.
>
> -Brian
>
> O|||||O YJ 4.0
>
> <waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> > trannie?
> >

Mike Romain

You can always pull the stoopid button vent on the tranny and put a
piece of gas line in the hole to make a nipple for a high water line on
the tranny like the t-case and diffs have.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Brian wrote:
>
> Fine tranny, alot better then it's french pedacessor, but change the fluid
> when you get it. As you don't know who did what to it. Running the YJ
> through water can result in water leaking in contaiminating the fluid. I am
> replacing mine soon with a salvage unit for about $500. The TJ is alot
> better with the coil springs, if you get a skyjacker 2.5 in suspension kit
> for example, the YJ it will ride pretty nice.
>
> -Brian
>
> O|||||O YJ 4.0
>
> <waterboy44@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:1112578931.399544.54620@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Actually I will be buying the 6 cylinder, so how good is the AX 15
> > trannie?
> >

Derrick Hudson

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 11:14:09 -0400, Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, that stuff about all the Wrangler differences being in
> trim packages and not where it matters sounds distressingly close to a
> book I'm now reading: "The Decline And Fall of the American Automobile
> Industry" (Brock Yates, 1983). In that book Yates excoriates the Big
> Three in general (AMC was too poor even then to be nimble in the design
> department) and GM in particular for ignoring public buying trends
> around 1980 in sporty, economical, compact cars and instead pigheadedly
> adding highly profitable trim packages with gobs of chrome to bloated,
> ugly sheetmetal hiding flaccid, antiquated running gear. _Optional_
> "Nicer seats, stereo and A/C" is an example he uses over and over.
>
> Some things never change it seems.

Think about it, though. Who is the majority of the market? Not the
mechanics. What does the majority of the market know about the
powertrain? Almost nothing (they know a bigger number for HP and
smaller for MPG is better, but that's about it). What does the
majority of the market know about trim and chrome? Everything. So
where are they going to put their money? Where they see it having
more value, and that's in the trim. The educated few will
base decisions on the mechanical design and construction. This is
just basic business, and it doesn't apply just to cars.

-D

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