Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:59:57 -0500, Heatwave
<m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

>In article <hrjhj3pbsu2mloq7pc5lt8e480iqmbpd61@4ax.com>,
>admin@snoman.com says...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:49:46 -0700, "Earle Horton" <123456@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely nothing to
>> >do with the OP's stated problem.
>> >
>> >And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
>> >Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de manera tan
>> >necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver con la queja del
>> >puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el cambio de marchas, y la
>> >respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda contestarla. ¿Por qué no lo
>> >haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta idea!
>>
>> The moron here is you as usual. Even if the shifter came out of ralils
>> it would not come out unless a LOT of force was apply to shift it and
>> that means it was binding and it was forced. It was binding from rust
>> and/or damage and people like you are dangerous because you are really
>> clueless and try to plant false hopes. You never want to treat cause
>> (because it escapes you) only the symptoms best you can with your
>> limited understanding of how and why things work.
>
>This is the typical lame diatribe snoflake uses when he goes into
>offense mode. This contains way fewer spelling errors than usual. Either
>he's using spell check or he's sober at the moment.

Wah wah, wah, such a cry baby. Did someone take away your bottle?
Again you trolls really have problems with cause and effect in the
automotive world and it shows.


>
>> You really should
>> take up a different language because your advise is worthless anyway
>
>LMAO nearly everything you write is in a different language.

tisk, tisk, such a whiner

>
>> so you might as well speak it in a foreign tongue too. Someone would
>> be very foolish to follow your dribble in this thread.
>> -----------------
>> TheSnoMan.com
>
>The word "dribble" is something he picked up from those writing about
>his post. He very slowly picks these things up and tries to use them
>against others. Its getting more laughable everytime he picks something
>new up and attempts to use it in a scathing maner.

No dribble is you drooling as you get excited thinking you are
succeding in your quest but you are only succeeding in belittleing
yourself but as a Troll you are not bright enough to realize this. So
sad....

>
>Snoball these links contain things that "YOU" wrote. If you do not like
>what YOU wrote then I suggest YOU stop posting.

Wah, wah wah, you must be so insecure. Keep it up as it is fun to
watch you make a fool of yourself!
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:59:57 -0500, Heatwave
<m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

>In article <hrjhj3pbsu2mloq7pc5lt8e480iqmbpd61@4ax.com>,
>admin@snoman.com says...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:49:46 -0700, "Earle Horton" <123456@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >SnoMan you are a moron. This is all true but it has absolutely nothing to
>> >do with the OP's stated problem.
>> >
>> >And for our Spanish-speaking friends.
>> >Snoman eres morón y hijo de la gran puta. Lo que balbuceas de manera tan
>> >necia es verdad, sí claro, pero no tiene nada que ver con la queja del
>> >puteador original. El tío no puede manipular el cambio de marchas, y la
>> >respuesta es tan sencillo que un novato pueda contestarla. ¿Por qué no lo
>> >haces? ¡Porque no tienes ni puta idea!
>>
>> The moron here is you as usual. Even if the shifter came out of ralils
>> it would not come out unless a LOT of force was apply to shift it and
>> that means it was binding and it was forced. It was binding from rust
>> and/or damage and people like you are dangerous because you are really
>> clueless and try to plant false hopes. You never want to treat cause
>> (because it escapes you) only the symptoms best you can with your
>> limited understanding of how and why things work.
>
>This is the typical lame diatribe snoflake uses when he goes into
>offense mode. This contains way fewer spelling errors than usual. Either
>he's using spell check or he's sober at the moment.

Wah wah, wah, such a cry baby. Did someone take away your bottle?
Again you trolls really have problems with cause and effect in the
automotive world and it shows.


>
>> You really should
>> take up a different language because your advise is worthless anyway
>
>LMAO nearly everything you write is in a different language.

tisk, tisk, such a whiner

>
>> so you might as well speak it in a foreign tongue too. Someone would
>> be very foolish to follow your dribble in this thread.
>> -----------------
>> TheSnoMan.com
>
>The word "dribble" is something he picked up from those writing about
>his post. He very slowly picks these things up and tries to use them
>against others. Its getting more laughable everytime he picks something
>new up and attempts to use it in a scathing maner.

No dribble is you drooling as you get excited thinking you are
succeding in your quest but you are only succeeding in belittleing
yourself but as a Troll you are not bright enough to realize this. So
sad....

>
>Snoball these links contain things that "YOU" wrote. If you do not like
>what YOU wrote then I suggest YOU stop posting.

Wah, wah wah, you must be so insecure. Keep it up as it is fun to
watch you make a fool of yourself!
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:54 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
>didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
>for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?


The reason you popped it out off rails is because it was bound up from
rust and you forced it out. The noise is likely from bearing damage.
It may run for a while but I would be looking for a replacement. You
should have a BA 10/5 which is not a great tranny to begin with and is
considered a LD unit. Starting in mid 89 they switched to/used a AX15
by Asian due to issues with BA 10/5. Up untill 86 they used a T5. (87
to 89 were the bastard BA 10/5 years) A T5 has same input and output
splines as a AX15 and the BA 10/5 has same input spline as them but
could have either a 21 spline output or 23 spline output (23 is shared
with T5 and AX15) Swap to a T5 or AX15 makes a lot of sense even if
your tranny was cherry because a BA 10/5 has gear ratios of 3.39,
2.33, 1.44, 1.00 and 0.79 (not sure about rev) and T5 has 4.03, 2.37,
1.50, 1.00, 0.86 and a rev of 3.76. The AX15 has 3.83, 2.33, 1.44,
1.00, 0.79 and rev of 4.22. The T5 has a 19% deeper first gear and a
OD less "tall" and the AX15 has a 13% deeper first gear. Overall the
AX15 is a better choice because it has a deeper reverse gear than BA
10/5 and T5 (which is always nice to have) and same OD as you have now
and is considered a MD tranny too. AX15 was used thru 2000 when it was
replaced by a NV3550 which is a NV3500 in a design configuration that
it is a direct bolt in replacement for a AX15. (NV3500 is not) Also T5
is considered LD too but faired better than BA 10/5.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:54 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
>didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
>for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?


The reason you popped it out off rails is because it was bound up from
rust and you forced it out. The noise is likely from bearing damage.
It may run for a while but I would be looking for a replacement. You
should have a BA 10/5 which is not a great tranny to begin with and is
considered a LD unit. Starting in mid 89 they switched to/used a AX15
by Asian due to issues with BA 10/5. Up untill 86 they used a T5. (87
to 89 were the bastard BA 10/5 years) A T5 has same input and output
splines as a AX15 and the BA 10/5 has same input spline as them but
could have either a 21 spline output or 23 spline output (23 is shared
with T5 and AX15) Swap to a T5 or AX15 makes a lot of sense even if
your tranny was cherry because a BA 10/5 has gear ratios of 3.39,
2.33, 1.44, 1.00 and 0.79 (not sure about rev) and T5 has 4.03, 2.37,
1.50, 1.00, 0.86 and a rev of 3.76. The AX15 has 3.83, 2.33, 1.44,
1.00, 0.79 and rev of 4.22. The T5 has a 19% deeper first gear and a
OD less "tall" and the AX15 has a 13% deeper first gear. Overall the
AX15 is a better choice because it has a deeper reverse gear than BA
10/5 and T5 (which is always nice to have) and same OD as you have now
and is considered a MD tranny too. AX15 was used thru 2000 when it was
replaced by a NV3550 which is a NV3500 in a design configuration that
it is a direct bolt in replacement for a AX15. (NV3500 is not) Also T5
is considered LD too but faired better than BA 10/5.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:35cjj3tq4tl9t8nbm85cmn4ktno61t885p@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:54 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> >didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> >for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
>
> The reason you popped it out off rails is because it was bound up from
> rust and you forced it out. The noise is likely from bearing damage.
> It may run for a while but I would be looking for a replacement. You
> should have a BA 10/5 which is not a great tranny to begin with and is
> considered a LD unit. Starting in mid 89 they switched to/used a AX15
> by Asian due to issues with BA 10/5. Up untill 86 they used a T5. (87
> to 89 were the bastard BA 10/5 years) A T5 has same input and output
> splines as a AX15 and the BA 10/5 has same input spline as them but
> could have either a 21 spline output or 23 spline output (23 is shared
> with T5 and AX15) Swap to a T5 or AX15 makes a lot of sense even if
> your tranny was cherry because a BA 10/5 has gear ratios of 3.39,
> 2.33, 1.44, 1.00 and 0.79 (not sure about rev) and T5 has 4.03, 2.37,
> 1.50, 1.00, 0.86 and a rev of 3.76. The AX15 has 3.83, 2.33, 1.44,
> 1.00, 0.79 and rev of 4.22. The T5 has a 19% deeper first gear and a
> OD less "tall" and the AX15 has a 13% deeper first gear. Overall the
> AX15 is a better choice because it has a deeper reverse gear than BA
> 10/5 and T5 (which is always nice to have) and same OD as you have now
> and is considered a MD tranny too. AX15 was used thru 2000 when it was
> replaced by a NV3550 which is a NV3500 in a design configuration that
> it is a direct bolt in replacement for a AX15. (NV3500 is not) Also T5
> is considered LD too but faired better than BA 10/5.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

http://www.SnoMan.esgay.com

Saludos,

El Señor Mercurio, El Gringo Loco




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Re: Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:35cjj3tq4tl9t8nbm85cmn4ktno61t885p@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:54 -0000, wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> >didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> >for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
>
> The reason you popped it out off rails is because it was bound up from
> rust and you forced it out. The noise is likely from bearing damage.
> It may run for a while but I would be looking for a replacement. You
> should have a BA 10/5 which is not a great tranny to begin with and is
> considered a LD unit. Starting in mid 89 they switched to/used a AX15
> by Asian due to issues with BA 10/5. Up untill 86 they used a T5. (87
> to 89 were the bastard BA 10/5 years) A T5 has same input and output
> splines as a AX15 and the BA 10/5 has same input spline as them but
> could have either a 21 spline output or 23 spline output (23 is shared
> with T5 and AX15) Swap to a T5 or AX15 makes a lot of sense even if
> your tranny was cherry because a BA 10/5 has gear ratios of 3.39,
> 2.33, 1.44, 1.00 and 0.79 (not sure about rev) and T5 has 4.03, 2.37,
> 1.50, 1.00, 0.86 and a rev of 3.76. The AX15 has 3.83, 2.33, 1.44,
> 1.00, 0.79 and rev of 4.22. The T5 has a 19% deeper first gear and a
> OD less "tall" and the AX15 has a 13% deeper first gear. Overall the
> AX15 is a better choice because it has a deeper reverse gear than BA
> 10/5 and T5 (which is always nice to have) and same OD as you have now
> and is considered a MD tranny too. AX15 was used thru 2000 when it was
> replaced by a NV3550 which is a NV3500 in a design configuration that
> it is a direct bolt in replacement for a AX15. (NV3500 is not) Also T5
> is considered LD too but faired better than BA 10/5.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

http://www.SnoMan.esgay.com

Saludos,

El Señor Mercurio, El Gringo Loco




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Re: Snoman in deep water - he can't get out
 

In article <jkbjj3pae01df3f7jenrn6f9fhso9glc4u@4ax.com>,
admin@snoman.com says...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:00:27 -0500, Heatwave
> <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> >Jacob R. Stan (aka john r stan)
> >8525 MILTON CARLISLE RD
> >NEW CARLISLE, OH 45344
> >
> >Still wanna keep going off on that temper tantrum?
> >Okay, I'll start posting your personal information when you do.
> >
>
> Wah, wah, wah, such a poor cry baby you are!!!
>
> Guess what else cry baby, you got the person wrong too because
> lightning strike me dead if that is me as it is not though in your
> limited troll brain you likely think it is.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

LMAO man you lie so ------- often it must come so naturally.

Anyone is free to search the Ohio Secretary of States website
for "CUSTOM SNOW PLOWING" which is the title on your website/business.

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us

Guess who's name and address comes up when we search for "CUSTOM SNOW
PLOWING"

John R Stan 8525 Milton-Carlisle Rd
New Carlisle Ohio 45344 07-DEC-04 Active
__________________________________________________ ____
Now lets look up Snoman.com

Administrator:
John Stan
937261SNOW
Custom Snow Plowing
PO Box 205
Donnelsville,OH,US 45319

(He thought he could hide himself from internet users by using a PO box
and not using a business address on his website.)
__________________________________________________ ____
And finally a yellow pages search for businesses

Custom Snow Plowing
8525 Milton Carlisle Rd
New Carlisle, OH 45344
(937) 974-7669
__________________________________________________ ____

Wow once again snoflake has been proven a lier. Suprise suprise. I have
other sources that prove who you are as well but I wont announce them
here...


I'd like to thank Neon John for his wonderful post on sNOballs website
back in May. For those that wish to read it click go here
http://tinyurl.com/33mzml


Snoball these links contain things that "YOU" wrote. If you do not like
what YOU wrote then I suggest YOU stop posting.
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: 4T65E
http://tinyurl.com/2lcjkv
(Confuses a 4T65e with a 4L65e and won't admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Dumb brake question
http://tinyurl.com/2ya3wo
(Discribes the wrong brakes and won't admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Front wheel bearings-2000 Blazer??
http://tinyurl.com/2j44zv
(Claims torque specs are wrong when they are not.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Snoball Defense System v1.01
http://tinyurl.com/2okyfx
(Snoball breaks these out when he knows he's wrong
and doesn't want to admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Snoman in deep water - he can't get out
 

In article <jkbjj3pae01df3f7jenrn6f9fhso9glc4u@4ax.com>,
admin@snoman.com says...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:00:27 -0500, Heatwave
> <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com> wrote:

> >Jacob R. Stan (aka john r stan)
> >8525 MILTON CARLISLE RD
> >NEW CARLISLE, OH 45344
> >
> >Still wanna keep going off on that temper tantrum?
> >Okay, I'll start posting your personal information when you do.
> >
>
> Wah, wah, wah, such a poor cry baby you are!!!
>
> Guess what else cry baby, you got the person wrong too because
> lightning strike me dead if that is me as it is not though in your
> limited troll brain you likely think it is.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com

LMAO man you lie so ------- often it must come so naturally.

Anyone is free to search the Ohio Secretary of States website
for "CUSTOM SNOW PLOWING" which is the title on your website/business.

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us

Guess who's name and address comes up when we search for "CUSTOM SNOW
PLOWING"

John R Stan 8525 Milton-Carlisle Rd
New Carlisle Ohio 45344 07-DEC-04 Active
__________________________________________________ ____
Now lets look up Snoman.com

Administrator:
John Stan
937261SNOW
Custom Snow Plowing
PO Box 205
Donnelsville,OH,US 45319

(He thought he could hide himself from internet users by using a PO box
and not using a business address on his website.)
__________________________________________________ ____
And finally a yellow pages search for businesses

Custom Snow Plowing
8525 Milton Carlisle Rd
New Carlisle, OH 45344
(937) 974-7669
__________________________________________________ ____

Wow once again snoflake has been proven a lier. Suprise suprise. I have
other sources that prove who you are as well but I wont announce them
here...


I'd like to thank Neon John for his wonderful post on sNOballs website
back in May. For those that wish to read it click go here
http://tinyurl.com/33mzml


Snoball these links contain things that "YOU" wrote. If you do not like
what YOU wrote then I suggest YOU stop posting.
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: 4T65E
http://tinyurl.com/2lcjkv
(Confuses a 4T65e with a 4L65e and won't admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Dumb brake question
http://tinyurl.com/2ya3wo
(Discribes the wrong brakes and won't admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Front wheel bearings-2000 Blazer??
http://tinyurl.com/2j44zv
(Claims torque specs are wrong when they are not.)
__________________________________________________ _________
SBJ: Snoball Defense System v1.01
http://tinyurl.com/2okyfx
(Snoball breaks these out when he knows he's wrong
and doesn't want to admit it.)
__________________________________________________ _________

Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
> water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
> but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
> and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
> case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
> rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
> seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
> removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
> completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
> looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
> diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
> was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
> neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
> in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
> to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
> gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
> shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
> case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
> gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
> lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
> do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
> than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
> fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
> but I can not pinpoint it.

The BA 10/5 you have uses aluminum synchros (Yeah, really!) and they will
squeal like a stuck pig if they get dry or galled. You may have pitted
them a little with the creek water. On mine, the squeal quickly became a
death rattle but that was because the front bearing was on its way out and
the splash washer was contacting the counter gear - the tolerance is really
tight in there! And for all the BS being slung here, it is pretty easy to
get the reverse rail out of position to lock it up like you describe -
BTDT. One trick is to pull the fill plug and use a long screwdriver to
reposition the rail, but it's about as easy to just pull the cover.

Make sure the twoer bolts are snug but don't over tighten them - I had to
tap the holes oversize when the threads stripped on mine just after I got
it. Either the bolts weren't tight or someone munged the threads but the
front bolts backed out on me. Now THAT makes shifting a challenge <g>.

--
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Re: Jeep in water - now transmission will not work
 

wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
> water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
> but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
> and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
> case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
> rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
> seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
> removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
> completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
> looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
> diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
> was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
> neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
> in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
> to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
> gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
> shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
> case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
> gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
> lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
> do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
> than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
> fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
> but I can not pinpoint it.

The BA 10/5 you have uses aluminum synchros (Yeah, really!) and they will
squeal like a stuck pig if they get dry or galled. You may have pitted
them a little with the creek water. On mine, the squeal quickly became a
death rattle but that was because the front bearing was on its way out and
the splash washer was contacting the counter gear - the tolerance is really
tight in there! And for all the BS being slung here, it is pretty easy to
get the reverse rail out of position to lock it up like you describe -
BTDT. One trick is to pull the fill plug and use a long screwdriver to
reposition the rail, but it's about as easy to just pull the cover.

Make sure the twoer bolts are snug but don't over tighten them - I had to
tap the holes oversize when the threads stripped on mine just after I got
it. Either the bolts weren't tight or someone munged the threads but the
front bolts backed out on me. Now THAT makes shifting a challenge <g>.

--
Will Honea

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