Earle Horton

<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 12, 11:53 am, "Earle Horton" <123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > <wbow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1194844112.369070.128620@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...> Bill,
> > > I am not sure I follow. What do you mean by 'pull that rail
> > > back into neutral'? Sorry I am just a greenhorn on transmissions.
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Pull the shift lever out again, and look down into the transmission.
> > You
> > will see three rails that move back and forth, parallel with the
> > mainshaft.
> > They each have a notch in them, that the end of the shift lever fits
> > in.
> > Before installing the shift lever, you have to line up all the
> > notches so
> > the transmission is in neutral. Then you pop the shift lever in
> > without
> > disturbing any of them..Once it is all the way down, you should be
> > able to shift into all the gears.
> >
> > Earle
>
> Earle & Bill,
> Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
> of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
> cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
> The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
> can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
> screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
> Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
> way.
>
If you got that much water in it, I would recommend another change after
warming up the transmission real well. I am betting on cover plate for
the noise though. Maybe SnoMan has some more ideas...

Cheers,

Earle



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>
> Earle & Bill,
> Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
> of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
> cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
> The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
> can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
> screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
> Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
> way.
>



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<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Earle & Bill,
> Thanks for the pointer on the shift rails. My 1-2 shift rail was out
> of alignment with the shifter by about an inch, which was enough to
> cause me grief. I lined it back up and was able to shift flawlessly.
> The thing is shifting like butter (well I suppose as good as a peougot
> can) now after the fluid change, but it does seem to be a little on th
> screechy side. I don't know if its just noticeable now because I
> didn't reinstall the cover plate or shifter boot before taking it out
> for a spin, but it is a little noisy at times. Any idea on that?
>
> Thanks again for the help. I learned a little about trannys along the
> way.
>



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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com

The advice someone else gave isnt too late to use. I'd drain and refill the
system before going further. Its gonna take at least one flush to get
everything out of there....
Might wanna think about adding tubes to those breather holes and rout them up
into someplace high. I drilled a hole through my pan, and ran them up inside
my rollbar to the top. Nice N High and outa sight.

wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
>water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
>but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
>and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
>case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
>rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
>seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
>removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
>completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
>looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
>diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
>was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
>Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
>transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
>etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
>budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
>neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
>in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
>to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
>gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
>shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
>case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
>gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
>lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
>do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
>than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
>fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
>but I can not pinpoint it.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Will

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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com

The advice someone else gave isnt too late to use. I'd drain and refill the
system before going further. Its gonna take at least one flush to get
everything out of there....
Might wanna think about adding tubes to those breather holes and rout them up
into someplace high. I drilled a hole through my pan, and ran them up inside
my rollbar to the top. Nice N High and outa sight.

wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
>water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
>but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
>and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
>case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
>rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
>seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
>removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
>completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
>looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
>diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
>was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
>Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
>transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
>etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
>budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
>neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
>in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
>to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
>gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
>shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
>case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
>gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
>lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
>do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
>than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
>fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
>but I can not pinpoint it.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Will

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RiverRunner66 via CarKB.com

The advice someone else gave isnt too late to use. I'd drain and refill the
system before going further. Its gonna take at least one flush to get
everything out of there....
Might wanna think about adding tubes to those breather holes and rout them up
into someplace high. I drilled a hole through my pan, and ran them up inside
my rollbar to the top. Nice N High and outa sight.

wbowlin@gmail.com wrote:
>I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
>water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
>but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
>and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
>case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
>rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
>seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
>removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
>completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
>looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
>diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
>was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
>Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
>transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
>etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
>budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
>neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
>in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
>to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
>gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
>shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
>case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
>gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
>lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
>do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
>than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
>fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
>but I can not pinpoint it.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Will

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Bill Spiliotopoulos

The strange rubbing noise should be the through-out bearing. Mud water must
have entered the races, and you should replace it.
Even if it quiets down after a while, it will wear out prematurely and if it
fails it can cause much greater damage.

I wouldn't worry about rust formation inside the transmission. The oil
protects all parts inside, even if it is contaminated with water and has
become to a white foam. The only thing that could happen with water
contamination, is corrosion of the aluminum case, and that usually happens
with salt water or if water has been inside the tranny for a long time.

Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.


<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
> water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
> but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
> and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
> case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
> rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
> seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
> removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
> completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
> looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
> diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
> was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
> neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
> in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
> to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
> gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
> shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
> case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
> gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
> lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
> do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
> than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
> fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
> but I can not pinpoint it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>

Bill Spiliotopoulos

The strange rubbing noise should be the through-out bearing. Mud water must
have entered the races, and you should replace it.
Even if it quiets down after a while, it will wear out prematurely and if it
fails it can cause much greater damage.

I wouldn't worry about rust formation inside the transmission. The oil
protects all parts inside, even if it is contaminated with water and has
become to a white foam. The only thing that could happen with water
contamination, is corrosion of the aluminum case, and that usually happens
with salt water or if water has been inside the tranny for a long time.

Bill Spiliotopoulos,
'96 XJ,
'06 TJ.


<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Jeep 88 Wrangler that stalled out in about 3 feet of muddy
> water last week. I did not have water come in through the air intake,
> but I did have water enter the transmission. I drove home (60 miles)
> and immediately drained the engine oil, transmission oil, transfer
> case, and diffs. There was a strange noise, kind of like a strange
> rubbing noise on the way home, and I attributed it to the clutch as it
> seemed to come and go as I pressed and released the clutch pedal. I
> removed the transmission to inspect the clutch (seemed fine) and to
> completely drain it by tipping it on its end. The fluid was milky
> looking and definately contaminated with water. I reinstalled both
> diff covers and filled the engine oil and changed the oil filter. It
> was a long night after a fun day of wheelin.
>
> Today ( a week later) I reassembled he transmission, filled the
> transmission with fluid, filled the transfer case, rebled the clutch,
> etc and fired it up. I went to shift the Jeep into gear and I can not
> budge it into gear. It felt that the shifter was still centered in
> neutral. I could move the shifter laterally to the right where it is
> in position to go into 5th or Reverse. I could not move it laterally
> to the left at all. Well after struggling with tying to shift it into
> gear (it wil not budge at all, no grinding noises, just will not
> shift) I realized the transfer case was in neutral. I shifted the
> case into 2H and released the clutch, and realized the Jeep is in
> gear. The jeep moved forward. I do not understand how I could have
> lateral movement in the shifter while being stuck in a gear. I also
> do not understand why my transmission shifting is seized up, other
> than contamination, and maybe the fact I let it sit for a week with no
> fluid. The transmission also has a light clicking sound internally,
> but I can not pinpoint it.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>

SnoMan

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:00:27 -0500, Heatwave
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>In article <1ekhj3pnmkvt2g4cfv2gfpp56182ahf3jh@4ax.com>,
>admin@snoman.com says...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:18:45 -0500, SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
>>
>> BTW, you are notice how some of these cry babies like
>> TheSnoMan.com
>
>I already gave you an Email address because you wouldn't stop crying
>about it. Did you miss it? Well Boo----inghoo. Poor little Snoball
>couldn't read.
>
>No one with an ounce of intellect would ever use their primary email
>address on the USENET because it will obviously be harvested by spammers
>or used by mental cases like snoflake here to make threats on peoples
>lives in private.
>
>Since you think having information out there is so damn important lets
>get yours out in the open right now:
>
>Jacob R. Stan
>8525 MILTON CARLISLE RD
>NEW CARLISLE, OH 45344
>
>Still wanna keep going off on that temper tantrum?
>Okay, I'll start posting your personal information when you do.
>

Wah, wah, wah, such a poor cry baby you are!!!

Guess what else cry baby, you got the person wrong too because
lightning strike me dead if that is me as it is not though in your
limited troll brain you likely think it is.
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