Jeep Toad
09-04-2006, 02:11 AM
#51
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Re: Jeep Toad
Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44FBB4CD.939FBD9D@***.net...
> CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
> needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your
> brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you
> don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums!
> Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC
> horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg
> I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep
> enough to find the Real Jeeps.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> Bill why don't you go **** up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point.
>> A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two
>> and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5...
>> Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all
>> around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at
>> just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky.
>>
>> $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot
>> defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected
>> semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new
>> brake pads (or whatever).
>>
>> --
>> Simon
need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44FBB4CD.939FBD9D@***.net...
> CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
> needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your
> brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you
> don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums!
> Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC
> horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg
> I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep
> enough to find the Real Jeeps.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> Bill why don't you go **** up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point.
>> A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two
>> and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5...
>> Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all
>> around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at
>> just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky.
>>
>> $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot
>> defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected
>> semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new
>> brake pads (or whatever).
>>
>> --
>> Simon
09-04-2006, 02:11 AM
#52
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Re: Jeep Toad
Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44FBB4CD.939FBD9D@***.net...
> CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
> needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your
> brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you
> don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums!
> Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC
> horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg
> I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep
> enough to find the Real Jeeps.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> Bill why don't you go **** up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point.
>> A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two
>> and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5...
>> Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all
>> around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at
>> just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky.
>>
>> $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot
>> defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected
>> semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new
>> brake pads (or whatever).
>>
>> --
>> Simon
need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44FBB4CD.939FBD9D@***.net...
> CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
> needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your
> brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you
> don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums!
> Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC
> horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg
> I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep
> enough to find the Real Jeeps.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Simon Juncal wrote:
>>
>> Bill why don't you go **** up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point.
>> A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two
>> and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5...
>> Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all
>> around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at
>> just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky.
>>
>> $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot
>> defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected
>> semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new
>> brake pads (or whatever).
>>
>> --
>> Simon
09-04-2006, 04:31 AM
#53
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Re: Jeep Toad
Really don't you replace parts as needed? You know my car is a
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
09-04-2006, 04:31 AM
#54
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Re: Jeep Toad
Really don't you replace parts as needed? You know my car is a
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
09-04-2006, 04:31 AM
#55
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Re: Jeep Toad
Really don't you replace parts as needed? You know my car is a
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
mechanically perfect '78 Bronco: http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg with
350,000 miles and the heads have never been apart.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/smog.jpg
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
09-04-2006, 08:12 AM
#56
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Re: Jeep Toad
So, after much consternation, what is the consensus? Cherokee , CJ5 o
Libby (whatever that is).
I vote for Cherokee. The six banger is the preferred engine, yes?
What would be an appropriate price to pay if all systems are workin
and the tires are useable
--
BuntRVer
09-04-2006, 08:12 AM
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Re: Jeep Toad
So, after much consternation, what is the consensus? Cherokee , CJ5 o
Libby (whatever that is).
I vote for Cherokee. The six banger is the preferred engine, yes?
What would be an appropriate price to pay if all systems are workin
and the tires are useable
--
BuntRVer
09-04-2006, 08:12 AM
#58
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Re: Jeep Toad
So, after much consternation, what is the consensus? Cherokee , CJ5 o
Libby (whatever that is).
I vote for Cherokee. The six banger is the preferred engine, yes?
What would be an appropriate price to pay if all systems are workin
and the tires are useable
--
BuntRVer
09-04-2006, 08:21 AM
#59
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Re: Jeep Toad
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
Bill didn't miss the point, he selects arbitrary (and usually
irrelivant) points to suit the link he's posting or to get away from the
fact that he has just been schooled but can't accept it.
Case in point he mentioned Semi trucks have drum brakes... which is so
utterly irrelivant that he might as well have said his 1935 soap box
racer he made in his youth, had rubber sneaker drag brakes.
If you mention that a boxed frame Jeep has more strength and rigidity he
will ALWAYS say that Semi tractors have open C channel frames, he has no
clue WHY! If he had a clue he wouldn't mention that they have C-channel,
frames because he would realize he was defeating his own argument.
(PS. Semi's have open channel frames because they NEED TO FLEX! to
handle up to 80,000 pound loads, they are DESIGNED to be flexible in a
predictable and consistent manner).
If you mention Coil springs he will mention Semi's and heavy tow and
vehicles have leafs... apearently believeing that towing capacity
equates to off road prowess.
Basically Bill stopped believing in reality about 30 years ago but he
hasn't let that stop him from being an opinionated old kook. Who thinks
that anything new is inferior (including fuel injection... because 1500
Horse power top fuel dragsters use carburetors!!!)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
Bill didn't miss the point, he selects arbitrary (and usually
irrelivant) points to suit the link he's posting or to get away from the
fact that he has just been schooled but can't accept it.
Case in point he mentioned Semi trucks have drum brakes... which is so
utterly irrelivant that he might as well have said his 1935 soap box
racer he made in his youth, had rubber sneaker drag brakes.
If you mention that a boxed frame Jeep has more strength and rigidity he
will ALWAYS say that Semi tractors have open C channel frames, he has no
clue WHY! If he had a clue he wouldn't mention that they have C-channel,
frames because he would realize he was defeating his own argument.
(PS. Semi's have open channel frames because they NEED TO FLEX! to
handle up to 80,000 pound loads, they are DESIGNED to be flexible in a
predictable and consistent manner).
If you mention Coil springs he will mention Semi's and heavy tow and
vehicles have leafs... apearently believeing that towing capacity
equates to off road prowess.
Basically Bill stopped believing in reality about 30 years ago but he
hasn't let that stop him from being an opinionated old kook. Who thinks
that anything new is inferior (including fuel injection... because 1500
Horse power top fuel dragsters use carburetors!!!)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
09-04-2006, 08:21 AM
#60
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Re: Jeep Toad
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
Bill didn't miss the point, he selects arbitrary (and usually
irrelivant) points to suit the link he's posting or to get away from the
fact that he has just been schooled but can't accept it.
Case in point he mentioned Semi trucks have drum brakes... which is so
utterly irrelivant that he might as well have said his 1935 soap box
racer he made in his youth, had rubber sneaker drag brakes.
If you mention that a boxed frame Jeep has more strength and rigidity he
will ALWAYS say that Semi tractors have open C channel frames, he has no
clue WHY! If he had a clue he wouldn't mention that they have C-channel,
frames because he would realize he was defeating his own argument.
(PS. Semi's have open channel frames because they NEED TO FLEX! to
handle up to 80,000 pound loads, they are DESIGNED to be flexible in a
predictable and consistent manner).
If you mention Coil springs he will mention Semi's and heavy tow and
vehicles have leafs... apearently believeing that towing capacity
equates to off road prowess.
Basically Bill stopped believing in reality about 30 years ago but he
hasn't let that stop him from being an opinionated old kook. Who thinks
that anything new is inferior (including fuel injection... because 1500
Horse power top fuel dragsters use carburetors!!!)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
> need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer.
Bill didn't miss the point, he selects arbitrary (and usually
irrelivant) points to suit the link he's posting or to get away from the
fact that he has just been schooled but can't accept it.
Case in point he mentioned Semi trucks have drum brakes... which is so
utterly irrelivant that he might as well have said his 1935 soap box
racer he made in his youth, had rubber sneaker drag brakes.
If you mention that a boxed frame Jeep has more strength and rigidity he
will ALWAYS say that Semi tractors have open C channel frames, he has no
clue WHY! If he had a clue he wouldn't mention that they have C-channel,
frames because he would realize he was defeating his own argument.
(PS. Semi's have open channel frames because they NEED TO FLEX! to
handle up to 80,000 pound loads, they are DESIGNED to be flexible in a
predictable and consistent manner).
If you mention Coil springs he will mention Semi's and heavy tow and
vehicles have leafs... apearently believeing that towing capacity
equates to off road prowess.
Basically Bill stopped believing in reality about 30 years ago but he
hasn't let that stop him from being an opinionated old kook. Who thinks
that anything new is inferior (including fuel injection... because 1500
Horse power top fuel dragsters use carburetors!!!)
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein