Re: Jeep Toad
 

Simon Juncal proclaimed:

> Coils can compress and expand more than leafs, they are only attached to
> the frame at one point and usually in line with suspension travel
> meaning they are much less restrictive to movement. They also allow
> things like four link, four bar and tri axial suspensions which all have
> their pros and cons but all offer serious advantages in their
> applications over old fashioned leaf springs.

Just a special case of torsion bar.

>
> Leafs are stronger more simple and are great for towing and heavy loads
> which apparently Bill equates to off roading for some wacky reason.

Yeah, towing with the leaf spring in a Corvette, good idea.

>
> As for trucks, a lot of things the trucking industry does only for cost
> reasons. The other major motivator is pure stubborn tradition and
> resistance to change (remember they didn't want to put Lower bumpers on
> their trailers because well... because they didn't want to spend money
> or change, regardless of the fact that they save peoples lives.

I'll go with tradition. Trucks use leaves, trains use coils.
>
> The Semi thus is an extremely poor thing to use as an example for ANY
> technology. Because between the EXTREME specialization (it has to tow
> 80,000 pounds!) and the trucking industry being EXTREMELY inbred and old
> fashioned; you are really looking at what equates to a Dynosour some
> decades before the extinction. That is to say: A big unadaptable slow
> beast (meaning the industry not the trucks) poorly suited to survival if
> the worlds changes significantly.

You forgot propped up by a political system that killed the more
efficient means of long distance transportation of heavy goods, with the
added advantage that you don't get as many civilians mixed in with the
long haul freighters, which increases safety for both.

Re: Jeep Toad
 

OK, lets see if I've got this straight.

Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
sophisticated and compact suspension design.

Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.

The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.

Does that sound about right?

Jeff DeWitt


Simon Juncal wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
>> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
>> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
>> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
>
>
> Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
>
> Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> that Jones keep the coils...
>
> I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
>
> And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
>

Re: Jeep Toad
 

OK, lets see if I've got this straight.

Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
sophisticated and compact suspension design.

Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.

The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.

Does that sound about right?

Jeff DeWitt


Simon Juncal wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
>> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
>> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
>> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
>
>
> Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
>
> Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> that Jones keep the coils...
>
> I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
>
> And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
>

Re: Jeep Toad
 

OK, lets see if I've got this straight.

Coils offer a better ride, more suspension travel enable a more
sophisticated and compact suspension design.

Leaf's are stronger and a leaf spring suspension can potentially put up
with more abuse over the long term because of it's strength and simplicity.

The big trucks use drums because that's what they've always used.

Does that sound about right?

Jeff DeWitt


Simon Juncal wrote:
> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> That's because skyjacker and most off road after market
>> manufacturers weren't around in the sixties. And of course that's reason
>> Bronco never won the BaJa 1000, they came new with coil springs:
>> http://www.----------.com/bouncingFord.jpg
>
>
> Funny you'd think Jones would have insisted on converting Big Oly to
> leaf springs if they were superior... It wouldn't have been difficult,
> the entire frame of Big Oly was custom tubing. It would have been.
>
> Perhaps Olympia Beer was working on a Coil spring lift kit and insisted
> that Jones keep the coils...
>
> I'm no Baja racer or rock crawler, all I know is there are ---- loads of
> coil over four links in the rock crawling world, must be the evil
> Skyjacker forcing their will upon the drivers right? Funny how none of
> the new drivers who don't have Lift kit sponsors or other veteran
> drivers don't convert to Leaf springs and dominate the competition...
>
> And here I was thinking that pro racers and rock crawlers would do
> ANYTHING to gain a competitive advantage...
>

Re: Jeep Toad
 

I have noticed your inability to use our internet! A real problem
with other bleeding heart liberal limp wackos. We may lead a horse to
water but we can't make him drink!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
> to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
> monkey and google about as useful.

Re: Jeep Toad
 

I have noticed your inability to use our internet! A real problem
with other bleeding heart liberal limp wackos. We may lead a horse to
water but we can't make him drink!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
> to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
> monkey and google about as useful.

Re: Jeep Toad
 

I have noticed your inability to use our internet! A real problem
with other bleeding heart liberal limp wackos. We may lead a horse to
water but we can't make him drink!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> You might also notice that on occasion, Bill's ability and willingness
> to even read the information on his links is a tad lacking. Big deal, a
> monkey and google about as useful.

Re: Jeep Toad
 

Apparently you don't drive anything of note worthiness. I imagine
you own a honda SUV, right?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
> aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Jeep Toad
 

Apparently you don't drive anything of note worthiness. I imagine
you own a honda SUV, right?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
> aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: Jeep Toad
 

Apparently you don't drive anything of note worthiness. I imagine
you own a honda SUV, right?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Simon Juncal wrote:
>
> I don't have a TJ and if you didn't have the attention span and mental
> aquitty of a 4 year old you'd remember that.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein