Michel G

The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP.
lol

"attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
> for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used
> cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering
(and
> styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is
> tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design
> parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird
proportions
> and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might
> be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not.
> "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06...
> > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this
> > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work
> > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast,
but
> > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy
snow,
> > sleet and rain.
> > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I
am
> > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty
> > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing
> gear.
> > I have test driven them both, but only in city
driving,
> > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is
> > another story)
> >
> > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed
> > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space.
> >
> > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to
> not
> > handle as well .
> >
> > Questions:
> > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep
> liberty
> > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is
> constantly
> > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious.
> >
> > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they
talk
> > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader,
and
> > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it
snows
> > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the
> > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room.
> >
> > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One
other
> > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body.
She
> > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep.
> >
> > This is a tough decision. I have a parking
> situation
> > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work.
> > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife.
> >
> > So please help me
out..LOL
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
>
>

Michel G

The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP.
lol

"attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
> for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used
> cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering
(and
> styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is
> tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design
> parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird
proportions
> and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might
> be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not.
> "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06...
> > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this
> > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work
> > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast,
but
> > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy
snow,
> > sleet and rain.
> > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I
am
> > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty
> > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing
> gear.
> > I have test driven them both, but only in city
driving,
> > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is
> > another story)
> >
> > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed
> > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space.
> >
> > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to
> not
> > handle as well .
> >
> > Questions:
> > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep
> liberty
> > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is
> constantly
> > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious.
> >
> > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they
talk
> > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader,
and
> > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it
snows
> > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the
> > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room.
> >
> > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One
other
> > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body.
She
> > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep.
> >
> > This is a tough decision. I have a parking
> situation
> > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work.
> > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife.
> >
> > So please help me
out..LOL
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
>
>

Michel G

The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP.
lol

"attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
> for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used
> cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering
(and
> styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is
> tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design
> parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird
proportions
> and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might
> be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not.
> "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06...
> > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this
> > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work
> > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast,
but
> > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy
snow,
> > sleet and rain.
> > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I
am
> > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty
> > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing
> gear.
> > I have test driven them both, but only in city
driving,
> > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is
> > another story)
> >
> > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed
> > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space.
> >
> > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to
> not
> > handle as well .
> >
> > Questions:
> > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep
> liberty
> > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is
> constantly
> > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious.
> >
> > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they
talk
> > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader,
and
> > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it
snows
> > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the
> > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room.
> >
> > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One
other
> > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body.
She
> > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep.
> >
> > This is a tough decision. I have a parking
> situation
> > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work.
> > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife.
> >
> > So please help me
out..LOL
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
>
>

Monte Castleman

>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have
>nothing better to do with your time.
>
You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an
abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their
definition, trolling. Been there, done that.

Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+******.pre-1987. I'd
personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the
road a lot of people are.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Monte Castleman

>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have
>nothing better to do with your time.
>
You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an
abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their
definition, trolling. Been there, done that.

Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+******.pre-1987. I'd
personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the
road a lot of people are.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Monte Castleman

>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have
>nothing better to do with your time.
>
You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an
abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their
definition, trolling. Been there, done that.

Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+******.pre-1987. I'd
personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the
road a lot of people are.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

Monte Castleman

>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have
>nothing better to do with your time.
>
You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an
abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their
definition, trolling. Been there, done that.

Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+******.pre-1987. I'd
personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the
road a lot of people are.

--
Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>

j.lef

..
>
> It 'isn't' a car.
>
> Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I
> have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's.
>
> Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for
> conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the
> stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power,
> but it still can...
>
Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and
directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something
that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day
in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need
to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies
sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats
important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and
loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00
on the odometer.
I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the
showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she
will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the
commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the
toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room
factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open
to more comments and opinions.
This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of
time will be on paved roads.


Thanks

j.lef

..
>
> It 'isn't' a car.
>
> Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I
> have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's.
>
> Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for
> conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the
> stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power,
> but it still can...
>
Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and
directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something
that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day
in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need
to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies
sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats
important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and
loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00
on the odometer.
I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the
showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she
will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the
commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the
toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room
factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open
to more comments and opinions.
This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of
time will be on paved roads.


Thanks

j.lef

..
>
> It 'isn't' a car.
>
> Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I
> have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's.
>
> Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for
> conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the
> stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power,
> but it still can...
>
Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and
directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something
that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day
in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need
to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies
sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats
important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and
loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00
on the odometer.
I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the
showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she
will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the
commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the
toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room
factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open
to more comments and opinions.
This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of
time will be on paved roads.


Thanks