Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
The transition is complicated by observing that a 1/2 inch may fit some
13mm nuts better than a 13mm will. Don't most decent toolsets just mix metric and inch sizes these days? Earle Horton proclaimed: > The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. > Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree > on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different > standards, they all cheerfully do so. > > Earle > > "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message > news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >> >>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>of tools that fits best. >> >>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >> >>Merrill >> >>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>Stupendous Man wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what > > year it > >>>>is. >>> >>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are > > probably > >>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring > > different > >>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>-- >>>>Stupendous Man, >>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>> >>>2002 TJ >>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>More money in "Their" pocket.... >> > > |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
The transition is complicated by observing that a 1/2 inch may fit some
13mm nuts better than a 13mm will. Don't most decent toolsets just mix metric and inch sizes these days? Earle Horton proclaimed: > The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. > Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree > on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different > standards, they all cheerfully do so. > > Earle > > "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message > news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >> >>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>of tools that fits best. >> >>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >> >>Merrill >> >>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>Stupendous Man wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what > > year it > >>>>is. >>> >>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are > > probably > >>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring > > different > >>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>-- >>>>Stupendous Man, >>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>> >>>2002 TJ >>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>More money in "Their" pocket.... >> > > |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
The transition is complicated by observing that a 1/2 inch may fit some
13mm nuts better than a 13mm will. Don't most decent toolsets just mix metric and inch sizes these days? Earle Horton proclaimed: > The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. > Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree > on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different > standards, they all cheerfully do so. > > Earle > > "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message > news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... > >>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >> >>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>of tools that fits best. >> >>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >> >>Merrill >> >>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>Stupendous Man wrote: >>> >>> >>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what > > year it > >>>>is. >>> >>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are > > probably > >>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring > > different > >>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>-- >>>>Stupendous Man, >>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>> >>>2002 TJ >>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>More money in "Their" pocket.... >> > > |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth,
sae, and metric all within inches of each other. RoyJ proclaimed: > Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the > 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and > did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and > 11/16" to 18mm. > > Earle Horton wrote: > >> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to >> agree >> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >> different >> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >> >> Earle >> >> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> >>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>> >>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>> of tools that fits best. >>> >>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>> >>> Merrill >>> >>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >> >> >> year it >> >>>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >> >> >> probably >> >>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >> >> >> different >> >>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>> -- >>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>> >>>> >>>> 2002 TJ >>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth,
sae, and metric all within inches of each other. RoyJ proclaimed: > Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the > 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and > did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and > 11/16" to 18mm. > > Earle Horton wrote: > >> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to >> agree >> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >> different >> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >> >> Earle >> >> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> >>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>> >>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>> of tools that fits best. >>> >>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>> >>> Merrill >>> >>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >> >> >> year it >> >>>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >> >> >> probably >> >>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >> >> >> different >> >>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>> -- >>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>> >>>> >>>> 2002 TJ >>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth,
sae, and metric all within inches of each other. RoyJ proclaimed: > Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the > 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and > did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and > 11/16" to 18mm. > > Earle Horton wrote: > >> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to >> agree >> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >> different >> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >> >> Earle >> >> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> >>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>> >>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>> of tools that fits best. >>> >>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>> >>> Merrill >>> >>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >> >> >> year it >> >>>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >> >> >> probably >> >>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >> >> >> different >> >>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>> -- >>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>> >>>> >>>> 2002 TJ >>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth,
sae, and metric all within inches of each other. RoyJ proclaimed: > Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the > 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and > did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and > 11/16" to 18mm. > > Earle Horton wrote: > >> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to >> agree >> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >> different >> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >> >> Earle >> >> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >> >>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>> >>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>> of tools that fits best. >>> >>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>> >>> Merrill >>> >>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >> >> >> year it >> >>>>> is. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >> >> >> probably >> >>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >> >> >> different >> >>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>> -- >>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>> >>>> >>>> 2002 TJ >>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>> >>> >> >> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
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The Jeep is bad enough SAE, Metric, and Torix Lon wrote: > Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth, > sae, and metric all within inches of each other. > > RoyJ proclaimed: > >> Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the >> 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and >> did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm >> and 11/16" to 18mm. >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >>> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >>> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers >>> to agree >>> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >>> different >>> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >>> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> >>>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>>> >>>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>>> of tools that fits best. >>>> >>>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>>> >>>> Merrill >>>> >>>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >>> >>> >>> >>> year it >>> >>>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >>> >>> >>> >>> probably >>> >>>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >>> >>> >>> >>> different >>> >>>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2002 TJ >>>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
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The Jeep is bad enough SAE, Metric, and Torix Lon wrote: > Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth, > sae, and metric all within inches of each other. > > RoyJ proclaimed: > >> Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the >> 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and >> did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm >> and 11/16" to 18mm. >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >>> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >>> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers >>> to agree >>> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >>> different >>> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >>> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> >>>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>>> >>>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>>> of tools that fits best. >>>> >>>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>>> >>>> Merrill >>>> >>>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >>> >>> >>> >>> year it >>> >>>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >>> >>> >>> >>> probably >>> >>>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >>> >>> >>> >>> different >>> >>>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2002 TJ >>>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> |
Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
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The Jeep is bad enough SAE, Metric, and Torix Lon wrote: > Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth, > sae, and metric all within inches of each other. > > RoyJ proclaimed: > >> Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the >> 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and >> did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm >> and 11/16" to 18mm. >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >>> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete. >>> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers >>> to agree >>> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to >>> different >>> standards, they all cheerfully do so. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message >>> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com... >>> >>>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic >>>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with >>>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools >>>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage. >>>> >>>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets >>>> of tools that fits best. >>>> >>>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the >>>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and >>>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to >>>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian >>>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA. >>>> >>>> Merrill >>>> >>>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stupendous Man wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric. >>>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what >>> >>> >>> >>> year it >>> >>>>>> is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are >>> >>> >>> >>> probably >>> >>>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring >>> >>> >>> >>> different >>> >>>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stupendous Man, >>>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2002 TJ >>>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a >>>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer. >>>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools. >>>>> More money in "Their" pocket.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> |
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