Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
standards, they all cheerfully do so.

Earle

"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
> away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>
> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
> of tools that fits best.
>
> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>
> Merrill
>
> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Stupendous Man wrote:
> >
> > > The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
> > > You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
year it
> > > is.
> >
> > > Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
probably
> > > aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
different
> > > tooling or techniques to reproduce.
> > > --
> > > Stupendous Man,
> > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> >
> > 2002 TJ
> > Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
> > hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
> > Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
> > More money in "Their" pocket....
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

I just did my sway bar links a month ago and you are right about the 18 MM.
I had to go out and buy one as I had 17 and 19 but not 18 in my set. :(
Do yourself a favor and stop into a local Harbor Freight and for about $16
you can buy a digital 6 inch caliper. Then when you aren't sure if
something is metric or sae, just throw the caliper on it and you will know
for sure. For a few bucks you will find these things one of the handiest
tools in your garage. Some of the metric sizes are real close to sae in
reference to wrench size, it's hard to tell sometimes if you have the right
wrench in hand or not. I've been working as a machinist for almost 30 years
and we still get the Machinery Handbook out to look up thread systems, there
are pages and pages of thread specs listed. Hope you are taking the sway
bar right out of the Jeep to install the new ones, it's so much easier to do
on a bench with a vise. Mine were on a TJ and the bar came out no sweat.
Les '01 TJ

<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

I just did my sway bar links a month ago and you are right about the 18 MM.
I had to go out and buy one as I had 17 and 19 but not 18 in my set. :(
Do yourself a favor and stop into a local Harbor Freight and for about $16
you can buy a digital 6 inch caliper. Then when you aren't sure if
something is metric or sae, just throw the caliper on it and you will know
for sure. For a few bucks you will find these things one of the handiest
tools in your garage. Some of the metric sizes are real close to sae in
reference to wrench size, it's hard to tell sometimes if you have the right
wrench in hand or not. I've been working as a machinist for almost 30 years
and we still get the Machinery Handbook out to look up thread systems, there
are pages and pages of thread specs listed. Hope you are taking the sway
bar right out of the Jeep to install the new ones, it's so much easier to do
on a bench with a vise. Mine were on a TJ and the bar came out no sweat.
Les '01 TJ

<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

I just did my sway bar links a month ago and you are right about the 18 MM.
I had to go out and buy one as I had 17 and 19 but not 18 in my set. :(
Do yourself a favor and stop into a local Harbor Freight and for about $16
you can buy a digital 6 inch caliper. Then when you aren't sure if
something is metric or sae, just throw the caliper on it and you will know
for sure. For a few bucks you will find these things one of the handiest
tools in your garage. Some of the metric sizes are real close to sae in
reference to wrench size, it's hard to tell sometimes if you have the right
wrench in hand or not. I've been working as a machinist for almost 30 years
and we still get the Machinery Handbook out to look up thread systems, there
are pages and pages of thread specs listed. Hope you are taking the sway
bar right out of the Jeep to install the new ones, it's so much easier to do
on a bench with a vise. Mine were on a TJ and the bar came out no sweat.
Les '01 TJ

<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

I just did my sway bar links a month ago and you are right about the 18 MM.
I had to go out and buy one as I had 17 and 19 but not 18 in my set. :(
Do yourself a favor and stop into a local Harbor Freight and for about $16
you can buy a digital 6 inch caliper. Then when you aren't sure if
something is metric or sae, just throw the caliper on it and you will know
for sure. For a few bucks you will find these things one of the handiest
tools in your garage. Some of the metric sizes are real close to sae in
reference to wrench size, it's hard to tell sometimes if you have the right
wrench in hand or not. I've been working as a machinist for almost 30 years
and we still get the Machinery Handbook out to look up thread systems, there
are pages and pages of thread specs listed. Hope you are taking the sway
bar right out of the Jeep to install the new ones, it's so much easier to do
on a bench with a vise. Mine were on a TJ and the bar came out no sweat.
Les '01 TJ

<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the
60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and
did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and
11/16" to 18mm.

Earle Horton wrote:

> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>
>>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>of tools that fits best.
>>
>>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>
>>Merrill
>>
>>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>
> year it
>
>>>>is.
>>>
>>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>
> probably
>
>>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>
> different
>
>>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>--
>>>>Stupendous Man,
>>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>
>>>2002 TJ
>>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>More money in "Their" pocket....
>>
>
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the
60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and
did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and
11/16" to 18mm.

Earle Horton wrote:

> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>
>>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>of tools that fits best.
>>
>>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>
>>Merrill
>>
>>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>
> year it
>
>>>>is.
>>>
>>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>
> probably
>
>>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>
> different
>
>>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>--
>>>>Stupendous Man,
>>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>
>>>2002 TJ
>>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>More money in "Their" pocket....
>>
>
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the
60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and
did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and
11/16" to 18mm.

Earle Horton wrote:

> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>
>>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>of tools that fits best.
>>
>>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>
>>Merrill
>>
>>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>
> year it
>
>>>>is.
>>>
>>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>
> probably
>
>>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>
> different
>
>>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>--
>>>>Stupendous Man,
>>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>
>>>2002 TJ
>>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>More money in "Their" pocket....
>>
>
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the
60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and
did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm and
11/16" to 18mm.

Earle Horton wrote:

> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>
>>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>of tools that fits best.
>>
>>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>
>>Merrill
>>
>>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>
> year it
>
>>>>is.
>>>
>>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>
> probably
>
>>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>
> different
>
>>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>--
>>>>Stupendous Man,
>>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>
>>>2002 TJ
>>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>More money in "Their" pocket....
>>
>
>

Re: Jeep Nuts Metric or Std
 

The transition is complicated by observing that a 1/2 inch may fit some
13mm nuts better than a 13mm will.
Don't most decent toolsets just mix metric and inch sizes these days?


Earle Horton proclaimed:

> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>
>>FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>
>>On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>of tools that fits best.
>>
>>I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>
>>Merrill
>>
>>Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>
> year it
>
>>>>is.
>>>
>>>>Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>
> probably
>
>>>>aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>
> different
>
>>>>tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>--
>>>>Stupendous Man,
>>>>Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>
>>>2002 TJ
>>>Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>More money in "Their" pocket....
>>
>
>